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Thursday, November 24, 2022

Thursday [7 to 9]

Almost afternoon all.

9. More of the backlog







8.  MftWC 2

Putting an End to Volodymyr Zelensky’s Follies 

https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/putting-an-end-to-volodymyr-zelenskys-follies/

AP reporter fired for Poland missile story. NATO mission creep. 2 million migrants to EU. U/1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4sm7OdbMxQ

Kiev Continues to Commit War Crimes Against Russians

https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/kiev-continues-to-commit-war-crimes-against-russians/

Scott Ritter: The Back Channel

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/11/22/scott-ritter-the-back-channel/?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=bdc2ba20-1a49-4fa7-ba82-1aa4bee78327

Is NATO falling apart?

https://thesaker.is/is-nato-falling-apart/

Other stuff:

JFK Assassination Truth Bombs

https://stateofthenation.co/?p=146501

Robot Rishi / NHS / The Great Trap / Hugo Talks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjXuuV9cRjE

Sweden cancels residential permits of 300,000 migrants

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJKW9fgxnp8

7.  Housekeeping

As mooted yesterday I think it was, I need to spread out the work intensive posts to one per day, over seven days.  I don’t count our political posts … they’re the daily bread and butter, nor are included th8ngs like the Netherlands or Tom Scott type posts, the knitting … they’re pretty simple to load.

The ones which really take up the prepping hours are the two films (because the range is now highly restricted by youtube and bitchute … I do have Saturday’s though already), also the two “wimmin” posts because though there is endless material, “good” examples are like hen’s teeth.

Jazz is becoming difficult on Sunday as the supply runs out before endlessly repeating and thus, as DM pointed out, some have been less than whelming.  However, one perseveres.  Same story of endless number of songs, about 5% worth posting.

Classical music … seems to have but one viewer/listener here … DAD … and even one who likes it deserves a post.  He, as with me, likes baroque and earlier.

My own popular music/blues?  As and when, people, as and when, nothing regular.  How about features involving our area of expertise?  Yes but currently disorganised.

So … where’s this going?  Well, thinking out loud … were I to run classical on Sunday morn, jazz Sunday evening, that sounds reasonable.  Now, quiz or wimmin on Monday?  Can’t do both.  Not if I’m to do them justice.  Ian’s the quiz chap, plus other responders.  Monday or Tuesday?  That also affects Thursday or Friday.

Well I need to decide now, 1130 on Thurs, as the timeslot is coming up.

Saturday, July 30, 2022

Saturday [12 to 16]

Mid-morn.

16.  Important

DAD elbows his way in:

https://www.futilitycloset.com/2022/07/26/just-so/

15.  Had to smile

... surely I must have been the only one ... but I couldn't find Evets 4, 5 etc. anywhere ... aaaggghhh ... and then couldn't find Woodsy's last comment or DAD's.  What the ... went searching ...

Er ... um ...

Hadn't clicked them through, had I?  Thick as pig excrement.  One was 13 hours ago.

Also, have been inundated by good jazz, about eighteen songs ... yikes ... spoilt for choice.

14.  Three quick shots




13.  Evets 2 and 3

a.  [The] Ukraine:

Russia Breakthrough Ukraine Donetsk Fortifications, MSM Focus on Kherson, US Navy Carrier to Taiwan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-tLEPsH5Eo

b.  Col. Doug Macgregor - Ukraine Russia latest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niZQnX-pw5w

c.  Heartbreaking Story About Girl Ripped By Kiev's Shells At Threshold Of Her House (photo caution)

https://southfront.org/heartbreaking-story-about-girl-ripped-by-kievs-shells-at-threshold-of-her-house/

d.  US Senators & Citizens Added To Ukrainian 'Blacklist' - Inside Russia Report

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llGrzqMAuuU

Ukraine cont.

e.  Zelensky Tells Americans "Inflation Is Nothing" As Ukraine Shells Prison In 'Counter-Offensive'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzSlh5l-w7s

f.  Lucky buggers..

Russia to Exit WHO, WTO and Other UN Agencies?

https://www.globalresearch.ca/russia-exit-who-wto-other-un-agencies/5788056

g.  New Zealand - Abortion Bill - Most Extreme Abortion Law In The World

https://www.bitchute.com/video/OEzbTte82SU6/

h.  Reality vs. Illusion. People have been Robbed of their Ability to “Decipher between Fact and Fiction”

https://www.globalresearch.ca/revelation-method/5779242

12.  Phantom Digger

... rises, as if from the dead:

"Folk music was popular in the early 70s - certainly in and around Manchester where I was living at the time. Aided and abetted by The Spinners, Mike Harding and local lads like these:


The church I belonged to at that time formed its own Folk group of which I was a member. We were wheeled out for Church socials and for plaguing the sick - captive audience!

We had our own rendition of this was was very handy as we had a Church Rambling club too. Happy days!


We had to adapt this to Coffee in the Jar to make it suitable for the corsetted elder members of the congregation. I don't think they noticed as they joined in the chorus...."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLBt-_W-HFc

[One thing I noticed with the last one was just how Australian it sounded - obviously closely related.  More Ripper coming later, plus am bringing DAD's two numbers fwd to Sunday morn.]

Monday, March 13, 2023

Let’s tackle the age old age old

Must have been through a dozen and a half versions of this song, inc. reactions … white man reacts, white woman, black man, black woman etc., looking for any sort of pattern.

There was one … the chaps almost all smiled and admired, as emotional as a toothpick log … that includes me … but the gals … ah, that was indeed an amazing sight. I was set to run the version with the Nigerian girl in Germany (below) and it wasn’t the political overtones with our readers … it was just that she really did  “gasm”, swoon, whatever you want to call it (cough). 

She was the extreme but even the leftist Finnish cold fish swooned by her lights … every single woman swooned to a point, I swear it was so.  Interesting creature, Woman.

My next task was how appropriate was this to run at N.O. in this time slot? So I dropped the idea.

Then I came back to it because there’s a connection here with my post item about “within the gate” and without.  Those without are never, ever going to see what’s to swoon about. Remember Nina Simone and My Baby Just Cares For Me?  “And even Lana Turner's smile is something he just can’t see.”

Yep. But far more than that, we’re all (and esp. wimmin) susceptible to conjunctions of circumstances. If all the preconditions are right, if all the elements are in place (usually translating into flowers, wining, dining and dancing), then the rest might (but not necessarily) follow.  It all has to be right at the one time. I call it the big bang theory.

And if we can look across at time itself, linear time … well I’ve said many times now that an alternative view of time, which does not negate Genesis in the least, is that the preconditions must all be there.  I’ve seen this happen IRL … where they all seemed to be present but nothing really gelled. Next day, suddenly it did and she lost control … go figure, as the Americans say. I certainly can’t.

Anyway, that’s behind this song by this admirable singing group. The lead singer’s grin I did not like, as it seemed to be that of a Romeo for every girl he was “sending there” but then I read about the recording and how his own gal Amber was right there in front of him, off camera, swooning … job done.

Just before the boys get remotely smug, listen carefully to the lyrics, because they’re clearly one of those many prerequisite elements … they speak of how a man is so easily enslaved. Don’t know about you other chaps but I tend to go weak at the knees and the breathing shortens when a honey deigns to spend time.  So the swooning reacter girl in the YT knows exactly what her power is, and it makes her swoon to know she can take him. Interesting stuff … how many thousands of years old?

Now, the final task … which version to choose?  Maybe this one:


Why choose her, rather than this Nigerian girl who loses the plot?  Well, on a scale from hot and responsive (10) down to feminazi modern full of herself cold, arrogant fish (0), the Nigerian is far less full of herself (maybe a 9) and the western woman here is maybe a 5, maybe a 6.  One feminist (another version) just sat there glaring (1). What is wrong with that Woke sort of western woman today?

The original was by Percy Sledge in 1966, which took the world, then in 1974 came Nazareth and Love Hurts and you know what happened there. Forget Michael Bolton’s version of his song, imho, in 1991, too stage-showy for mine, not a great voice - these two songs really tested a man’s singing voice in the popular field.

Friday, April 01, 2022

Logic dictates

There was an item on Gab of Gaga in a tee shirt portraying sickos molesting a kid and celebrating it.  She needs executing and all the rest of them.  The image the other day of the Azov thug bayonet I refused to show ... why the hell would I promote the very thing I'm fighting?

Or to look at it in football firm terms, let's say I was a West Ham fan, which I'm not, then if a reader were to send me a Spurs video or a Chelsea, why would he possibly think I'd run it?  I support the other side, to hell with running something supporting the enemy.

All this evil invading everything, especially in schools [Friday 15 and 20], why on earth would I promote it?  So when someone sends me a Black Sabbath video, even if I like the actual track, which I do, in 2022 why on earth would I run something given over to evil, when you know very well the human misery we're opposing everyday on the site?  Do you see any logic in my stance?  No?

Sunday, March 26, 2023

Last post ... only a fool would say that

Becker and Fagan never really grabbed me, not even this below or most songs ... but two or three were very good.  The Beatles, on the other hand, were established and had many genuine hits.

Then Lennon came out with his infamous remark and immediately had to backtrack on his idiotic choice of comparison:

"More popular than Jesus" is part of a remark made by John Lennon of the Beatles in a March 1966 interview in which he argued that the public were more infatuated with the band than with Jesus and that Christian faith was declining to the extent that it might be outlasted by rock music.

Lennon's Master has certainly worked tirelessly to produce such a situation but his, Lennon's, seeming innocuous statement of fact as of 2023 was undermined by this:

In new book Mr. Confidential, author Chris Hutchins says, "John Lennon told me how outrageous you could be in Hamburg. "He said he would pee from his window on the heads of nuns heading for church below. "No wonder Little Richard described him as 'the Devil's own child'." (31 Aug 2005)

Then came the infamous Imagine, a song of total bollox which reached its Nadir at the 2012 Olympics with those children turned into satan's little myrmidons, along with the phoenix and the rest of the occult imagery. It was just a question of time until 2020 to 2025 inevitably happened.

Interestingly, Becker and Fagan had Lennon's number right from the get-go:



Which is interesting when considering their own New York Jewish shtick.

Wednesday, April 05, 2023

Last post

There are two themes running through my current personal musical journey ... one is finding or rediscovering songs which are a journey in themselves, which are asymmetric, which climb, go places, not just repetitive, soar and plummet ... then there's going back to old popular classics which are repetitive, which were very "back in the day" ... we must have heard them hundreds of times and the artist's names are tired sounding, maybe even rich now ... but now I'm listening to them with new ears.

New ears can simply mean much older ears returning, without all the white noise ... and one way to do that is through the reaction video, which this below is not ... it's the video they were reacting to. In every case, they're young people discovering and that's nice. 

With the Joker, one thing I saw consistently happening was the whites reacting certainly liked it but it did not penetrate a soul chord ... whereas every single black, even the hard nuts, suddenly went mellow, saying, "Ok, right, yo."

So what's going to happen here, even from people from the era, more than familiar with Steve Miller?  Are we going to say, "Ah right, that old number, yep, it was fun," or like these black guys and gals, will it trigger something which gets you moving?  

I imagine whisky would help, or sommit else. It would be interesting to see your reactions.

Tuesday, May 17, 2022

Quick musical interlude

A bit strange, this whole thing:


Wonder where they're performing it from.
Lisa del Bo, was born Reinhilde Goossens on 9 June 1961 in Mopertingen, Belgium. She is a Belgian singer who is popular in her own country and also in Germany. Lisa del Bo is a Flemish singer who often sings in the Dutch language but has been known to record songs in other languages as well.

She represented Belgium in the Eurovision Song Contest 1996 with the song "Liefde is een kaartspel", where she came 16th.
There's a sort of bland Europe-ness here, about as much emotion as me waking up in the morning and crashing into walls.

Sunday, May 03, 2009

[christianity] is fair discussion possible [3]

You can call this saccharine sweet but it's still an endangered species.
Part 1
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Part 4
Part 5
Part 6


Non biblical sources on the historicity of Jesus


Pilate

The following is a reprinting of a letter from Pontius Pilate to Tiberius Caesar describing the physical appearance of Jesus. Copies are in the Congressional Library in Washington, D.C.

To Tiberius Caesar

A young man appeared in Galilee preaching with humble unction, a new law in the Name of the God that had sent Him. At first I was apprehensive that His design was to stir up the people against the Romans, but my fears were soon dispelled. Jesus of Nazareth spoke rather as a friend of the Romans than of the Jews.

One day I observed in the midst of a group of people a young man who was leaning against a tree, calmly addressing the multitude. I was told it was Jesus. This I could easily have suspected so great was the difference between Him and those who were listening to Him. His golden colored hair and beard gave to his appearance a celestial aspect. He appeared to be about 30 years of age. Never have I seen a sweeter or more serene countenance.

What a contrast between Him and His bearers with their black beards and tawny complexions! Unwilling to interrupt Him by my presence, I continued my walk but signified to my secretary to join the group and listen. Later, my secretary reported that never had he seen in the works of all the philosophers anything that compared to the teachings of Jesus. He told me that Jesus was neither seditious nor rebellious, so we extended to Him our protection. He was at liberty to act, to speak, to assemble and to address the people. This unlimited freedom provoked the Jews -- not the poor but the rich and powerful.

Later, I wrote to Jesus requesting an interview with Him at the Praetorium. He came. When the Nazarene made His appearance I was having my morning walk and as I faced Him my feet seemed fastened with an iron hand to the marble pavement and I trembled in every limb as a guilty culprit, though he was calm. For some time I stood admiring this extraordinary Man. There was nothing in Him that was repelling, nor in His character, yet I felt awed in His presence. I told Him that there was a magnetic simplicity about Him and His personality that elevated Him far above the philosophers and teachers of His day.

Now, Noble Sovereign, these are the facts concerning Jesus of Nazareth and I have taken the time to write you in detail concerning these matters. I say that such a man who could convert water into win, change death into life, disease into health; calm the stormy seas, is not guilty of any criminal offense and as others have said, we must agree -- truly this is the Son of God! Your most obedient servant, Pontius Pilate.

[Also in E. Raymond Capt, 'The Resurrection Tomb', available from Artisan Sales.]

Mara Bar-Serapion

This was a Syrian who wrote a letter to his son, Serapion, sometime after 73 A.D. He encourages him to emulate the wise men of history who died for what they believed in, such as Socrates, Pythagoras, and the wise King the Jews executed. The document is in the British Museum, and F.F. Bruce mentions this in The New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable.

Publius Lentrelus

He was a resident of Judea in the reign of Tiberius Caesar. It first appeared in the writings of Saint Anselm of Canterbury, 11th century:

There lives at this time in Judea a man of singular virtue whose name is Jesus Christ, whom the barbarians esteem as a prophet, but his followers love and adore him as the offspring of the immortal God. He calls back the dead from the graves and heals all sorts of diseases with a word or touch. He is a tall man, well-shaped, and of an amiable and reverend aspect; his hair of a color that can hardly be matched, falling into graceful curls, waving about and very agreeable crouching upon his shoulders, parted on the crown of the head, running as a stream to the front after fashion of the Nazarites.

His forehead high, large and imposing; his cheeks without spot or wrinkle, beautiful with a lovely red; his nose and mouth formed with exquisite symmetry; his beard, and of a color suitable to his hair, reaching below his chin and parted in the middle like a fork; his eyes bright blue, clear and serene.

Look innocent, dignified, manly and mature. In proportion of body most perfect, and captivating; his arms and hands delectable to behold. He rebukes with majesty, councils with mildness, His whole address whether in word or deed, being eloquent and grave. No man has seen him laugh, yet his manners are exceedingly pleasant, but he has wept frequently in the presence of men. He is temperate, modest and wise. A man for his extraordinary beauty and perfection, surpassing the children of men in every sense.

[Also in E. Raymond Capt, 'The Resurrection Tomb', available from Artisan Sales.]

JH - I admit that this one's a bit iffy.

Josephus

Pharisee and Jewish historian. Writing about Ananias, a high priest mentioned in the Book of Acts in the Bible, Josephus, the most significant Jewish historian of the period wrote:

"He convened a meeting of the Sanhedrin and brought before them a man named James, the brother of Jesus, who was called the Christ, and certain others. He accused them of having transgressed the law and delivered them up to be stoned." (Josephus, The Antiquities 20.200)

Testimonium Flavianum

Most scholars who have reviewed the writings of Josephus generally conclude that he makes genuine references to Jesus albeit the Testimonium Flavianum contains elements of Christian embellishment.

It’s a pity that the lily had to be gilded in this way because the original would have been sufficient to establish historicity and it is hardly necessary to expect Josephus to lend credence to claims of divinity.

At this time there appeared Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was a doer of amazing deeds, a teacher of persons who receive truth with pleasure. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Messiah.

And when Pilate condemned him to the cross, the leading men among us having accused him, those who loved him from the first did not cease to do so. For he appeared to them the third day alive again, the divine prophets having spoken these things and a myriad of other marvels concerning him. And to the present the tribe of Christians, named after this person, has not disappeared.

Miami University Professor of history, Edwin M. Yamauchi, lists five main reasons why scholars on Josephus believe the Testimonium Flavianum is an authentic reference to Jesus:

1. Jesus is called "a wise man." Though the phrase is complimentary, it is less than one would expect from Christians.

2. "For he was one who wrought surprising feats" ["For he was a doer of amazing deeds"]. This is not necessarily a statement that could only have come from a Christian.

3. "He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks" is simply an observation.

4. "Those who had in the first place come to love him did not give up their affection for him," conforms to Josephus' characteristic style.

5. "And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared." Most scholars would agree that the word phylon "tribe," is not a typically Christian expression.

It has also been noted by Yamauchi that a tenth century Melkite bishop of Hierapolis, named Agapius, inscribed an Arabic translation of Josephus' Testimonium Flavianum that seems to possess differences with the Greek version which may divulge the original passage. The Israeli scholar, S. Pines, observes approximately four of these differences:

1. Josephus expresses the mere humanity of Jesus.

2. Josephus refers only to Jesus' good conduct and virtue.

3. Josephus refers to the appearance of Jesus after three days as merely a "report."

4. Josephus has the qualifier "perhaps" immediately preceding "he was the Messiah."

The second reference of Jesus by Josephus is found in Antiquities 20.9.1 S200-201 where there is a more evanescent mentioning of Jesus:

He (Ananus) convened the council of judges and brought before it the brother of Jesus-the one called "Christ"-whose name was James, and certain others, accusing them of transgressing the law he delivered them up for stoning. But those of the city considered to be the most fair-minded and strict concerning the laws were offended at this and sent to the king secretly urging him to order Ananus to take such actions no longer.

The phrase "the one called 'Christ'" seems to imply an earlier reference.

Josephus discusses here the stoning of James which is not an element in any of the New Testament writings. In the New Testament, James is still alive at the time Acts concludes. This would imply that Josephus was not borrowing from Christian sources but, rather, secular sources independent of the New Testament.

Josephus refers to James as "the brother of Jesus" whereas Christians have generally referred to James as "the brother of the Lord."

The following did not quote Josephus but said that Josephus openly called Him the Christ:

Sozomen’s Ecclesiastical History book 1 chapter 1 (440 A.D.)
Cassiodorus in the Three-Part History e Sozomeno (510 A.D.)
Chronicles of Alexandria p.514,526,527,584,586 (640 A.D.)
Johan. Malela Chronicles book 10 (c.850 A.D.)
Photius Codex book 48 I Codex 238, Codex 33 (c.860 A.D.)
Glycus Annal. P.234 (c.1120 A.D.)

New Testament scholar R.T. France says the following:

"Virtually all scholars are agreed that the received text is a Christian rewriting, but most are prepared to accept that in the original text a brief account of Jesus, perhaps in a less complimentary vein, stood at this point /2/. Josephus' passing mention of 'Jesus, the so-called Messiah' in Antiquities XX.200 is hard to explain without some previous notice of this Jesus, especially since Josephus elsewhere makes no reference to Christianity, nor even uses the term Christos of any other figure.

Pliny the Younger, or Plinius Secundus

He was the nephew of Pliny the Elder (a known encyclopedist). As Governor of Bithynia in northwestern Turkey around 112 A.D., he writes to emperor Trajan about his advisement on the treatment of Christians:

I have never been present at an examination of Christians. Consequently, I do not know the nature of the extent of the punishments usually meted out to them, nor the grounds for starting an investigation and how far it should be pressed . . .

I have asked them if they are Christians, and if they admit it, I repeat the question a second and third time, with a warning of the punishment awaiting them. If they persist, I order them to be led away for execution; for, whatever the nature of their admission, I am convinced that their stubbornness and unshakeable obstinacy ought not to go unpunished . . . They also declared that the sum total of their guilt or error amounted to no more than this: they had met regularly before dawn on a fixed day to chant verses alternately amongst themselves in honour of Christ as if to a god, and also to bind themselves by oath, not for any criminal purpose, but to abstain from theft, robbery, and adultery, . . . This made me decide it was all the more necessary to extract the truth by torture from two slave-women, whom they call deaconesses. I found nothing but a degenerate sort of cult carried to extravagant lengths. [Pliny the Younger, Letters 10.96]

If Christians assented to their Messiah "as if to a god" and honored his memorial via worship songs, then it seems that a manifested Christology about Jesus existed.

Tacitus

Roman historian born around 52 - 55 A.D., was the son-in-law of the former Governor of Britain, Julius Agricola. Having expressed hatred for Christians and Jews, he makes an interesting observation about Nero's persecution of the Christians. In A.D. 115, he wrote:

But all human efforts, all the lavish gifts of the emperor, and the propitiations of the gods did not banish the sinister belief that the conflagration was the result of an order. Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilate, and a most mischievous superstition thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their center and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty: then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. [Annals 15.44]

Tacitus refers here to the ravishing fire of 64 A.D. and the Christians' blame for it. Three elements of note:

1. Christians were named after Christ ("Christus, from whom the name had its origin").

2. Jesus suffered under Pontius Pilate in the reign of Tiberius ("Christus … suffered … during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of … Pontius Pilate").

3. Christianity spread from Judea to Rome en masse ("… broke out not only in Judea … but even in Rome … an immense multitude was convicted").

Lucian of Samosata, (also called Lucian the Greek)

Second century satirist, wrote about Christ,

"…the man who was crucified in Palestine because he introduced this new cult into the world….Furthermore, their first lawgiver persuaded them that they were all brothers one of another after they have transgressed once for all by denying the Greek gods and by worshipping that crucified sophist himself and living under his laws." [The Passing Peregrinus -also called The Death of Peregrine 11-13, quoted from Evidence That Demands a Verdict vol. 1 p.82.]

Phlegon

He was a Greek writer from Caria and freed slave of the Emperor Hadrian. He wrote soon after 137 A.D. that in the fourth year of the 202nd Olympiad [33 A.D.] there was "the greatest eclipse of the sun" and that "it became night in the sixth hour of the day [12:00 noon] so that star even appeared in the heavens. There was a great earthquake in Bithynia, and many things were overturned in Nicea."

Suetonius

Roman living from approximately 70 A.D. to 160 A.D., wrote in Vita Claudius (25.4) of the tumult in the Jewish-Roman community:

Since the Jews constantly made disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, he expelled them from Rome.

Suetonius mentions the persecution of Christians in his Vita Nero (16.11-13):

Punishment was inflicted on the Christians, a class of men given to a new and mischievous superstition.

Philosophers and thinkers

Kant testifies to His ideal perfection; Hegel sees in Him the union of the human and the Divine; Spinoza speaks of Him as the truest symbol of heavenly wisdom; the beauty and grandeur of His life overawe Voltaire; Napoleon I, at St. Helena, felt convinced that "Between him [Jesus] and whoever else in the world there is no possible term of comparison" (Montholon, "Récit de la Captivité de l'Empereur Napoléon").

Rousseau testifies: "If the life and death of Socrates are those of a sage, the life and death of Jesus are those of a god"; Strauss acknowledges: "He is the highest object we can possibly imagine with respect to religion, the being without whose presence in the mind perfect piety is impossible"; to Renan "The Christ of the Gospels is the most beautiful incarnation of God in the most beautiful of forms. His beauty is eternal; his reign will never end"; John Stuart Mill spoke of Jesus as "a man charged with a special, express, and unique commission from God to lead mankind to truth and virtue".

Two more snippets

Athanasius said in the Incarnation 25:3, that it is only on the cross that a man dies with his hands spread out.

Hardly conclusive but take it for what it is.

Also, Roman graffiti was found on Palatine Hill ridiculing Christians. It shows a cross with arms outstretched according to The Archaeology of the New Testament (Blaiklock) p.99.