Friday, April 11, 2008

[polygamous sect] chapel in the house of prayer


[Update Friday evening: one or two were a little confused whether this post was condoning this sect or was opposed. Vehemently opposed of course - these are not Christians - they're paedophiles in this blog's opinion.]


We've all by now seen the lurid details of the polygamous sect in Texas and I shan't be repeating them:

The ranch and compound are owned and run by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. It is a sect which broke away from the Mormon Church when it banned polygamy more than 100 years ago. Inside the ranch they still practice polygamy.

The sect's prophet is Warren Jeffs, a self-confessed polygamist who was jailed last year for being an accomplice to the rape of a 14-year-old girl who married her cousin. Authorities have kept the ranch under surveillance since it was bought by the sect five years ago.

It seems, according to this article that things are being handled better here than they were at Waco.

It's worth looking at the proliferation of sects spawned in America. As the whole gay and feminist movements show - there is a fiercely protected freedom of action in America which the rest of us don't always understand. So all sorts of weird things are going to be tolerated, except by the good ole boys.

But there's something more when it comes to Christian sects. Just as Islam, whether rightly or wrongly, has violence associated with it, so Christianity definitely attracts very weird thinking.
In scripture it would be characterized as tares among the wheat and the advice in the gospels is to wait until the harvest and then cut them out.

Daniel Defoe wrote, in 1701:

Wherever G-d erects a house of prayer, the Devil always builds a chapel there and 'twill be found, upon examination, that the latter has the larger congregation.

It stands to reason. If Christianity is correct, for the sake of argument, then the Devil exists. Therefore he would be hell bent on destroying the redemptive power of Christ in people's minds. Therefore one of the best ways is creating strawmen who are putting views and focussing on passages and generally being obnoxious, to the extent that people who haven't read it up themselves will turn against it in droves.

So, instead of focussing on the faith, hope and charity part, they zero in, for example, on homophobic and red-necked passing references and make, of them, the whole focus. This is a twisting of the message but suffices to turn people away from any possible redemption.

As I say, "if Christianity is correct" and that's outside the scope of this post to either prove or disprove. But certainly passages are seized upon and taken out of context and even bloggers are good at doing this - one blogger was fond of biblical images to push his strange philosophy last year but most people saw through that. The Crusaders did that. A noble idea twisted in its execution.

This is the eternal cross [forgive the reference] that Christianity has had to bear - the false prophets, the wolves in sheep's clothing, the real message twisted and presented as some sort of parody of pious rectitude, always scheduled to be Swaggarted at some stage down the line to reinforce the real message that the redemptive power of Christ is bunkum.

And the aping is amazing - from the pipe organ to the pseudo biblical blessings, the other side has it all down pat. That particular blogger made a comment on a post a long time back that he actually preferred the paraphernalia, the regalia and the flim flam to the original gospel message itself. He preferred the ritual to the mental adjustment required.

So it will always be. The true Christians are few and it is next to impossible to keep to the path and still be a human being. I by no means lay any claim to being a proper Christian.

20 comments:

  1. Christian or not, what those sickos done is wrong by most standards. SHOOT the perpetrators, and if you think that is wrong in itself, imagine yourself in those young girls shoes or worse, your own daughter in a situation like that, bet any persons opinion would change.

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  2. And herein lies the problem.

    You believe in an actual Devil a conscious evil, with an army of evil minions.

    So the whole world can easily be categorised into the elect and the saved.
    How nice and easy.

    Saves us the job of working out right and wrong for ourselves.

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  3. Because we're human we don't keep to the path, which is why we so need Christ. As 'proper' Christians - like you! - know.

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  4. Just read the comments.

    Nunyaa, there is nothing Christian about those sects anymore than there is about terrorists - or politicians - who claim God is directing them.

    Crushed, it doesn't save us the job of working out right and wrong. We have free will and have to make our own decisions.

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  5. Everything in life has its fringe elements. Pick any subject and there are those that take it to extremes and when the rules and laws don't match they follow the rules. If the rules don't cater for it then they make them up and depending on where you are they can work out differently.
    Some of these people are extremists that can be equated to Islamic extremists. Even the Catholic church has it's extremists that are happy with murder and torture.
    Many pious people talk about tolerance and forgiveness and then using the perception that gives others against a third party. Extremists in any area come across as very pious, spiritual and talking of love for their fellow man. Then rip them apart for any transgression. Hell, I'm sure there is even a train spotting group that is contemplating killing someone who has painted an old train in the wrong colours.

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  6. What do you mean, "As the whole gay and feminist movements show...?

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  7. Indeed Liz, we have three will to see the wood for the trees, even within Christianity.

    As a system of thought, it has a lot to recommend it. We shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

    We have to remember, the Bible was written a VERY long time ago.
    We have to update large partsof what is said, to fit the current state of human knowledge and the way of life possible today.

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  8. "So all sorts of weird things are going to be tolerated, except by the good ole boys."


    Can you explain to me exactly who and what are supposed to be the good ole boys? Give me examples.

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  9. the Bible was written a VERY long time ago.
    We have to update large partsof what is said

    Absolute rubbish. This is precisely what is trotted out to undercut the message of caring and sharing - this is precisely the orthodox dark line - that fundamental truths like thou shalt not kill or honour your father or your mother need to be updated.

    What this is is that the moment someone doesn't like something in it because it cramps his style, he says it must be more relevant to modern times.

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  10. Nunyaa

    The good ole boys are the patriot neocons who belief in Constitution, family, G-d and so on and are vehemently opposed to homosexuality, feminism and the like.

    Often they're not as morally pure as they make out.

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  11. Welshcakes - the gay and feminist movements would never have got off the ground except that America gave them a major boost. This is the American spirit of tolerance.

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  12. Crushed - takling the easy way out was never the Christian way, unlike the relativistic sexual promiscuity and so on today.

    The Christian road is steep and windy and full of pitfalls. Instead of sleeping round, one commits to one other human being, raises a family and does the manly thing :) - in other words grows up and accepts some constraints on his behaviour in the interests of the greater good.

    Remember - the body of a hedonist is the coffin of a dead soul. :)

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  13. Liz - you've got it in one.

    Commenters - though I disagree with much of what you say and even give a bit of stick in places, I do appreciate your visit and thank you.

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  14. Of course in wacky BC we have our very own similar polygamous community, Bountiful. The authorities ignore them although they are breaking the law. Recently a group of Christian women took the matter before the BC human rights commission. Well we'll see what happens although it will probably take years. It's pretty ugly stuff.

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  15. The problem is that people claim to do things in the name of religion (in this case Christianity.)When in fact they are twisting things to suit their own aims. Then other people read about it and think that is what that particular religion/faith is all about.

    You can see how people get confused!

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  16. I always went by my dad's philosophy:
    "The Bible was written by sheepherders and fishermen, and everybody knows how they stretch the truth."

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  17. "Absolute rubbish. This is precisely what is trotted out to undercut the message of caring and sharing - this is precisely the orthodox dark line - that fundamental truths like thou shalt not kill or honour your father or your mother need to be updated."

    Just wondering -
    Are fundamental truths always right in every case?

    Are you to honour your father if you happen to be one of the young girl children in that Mormon sect in Texas who has been abused physically and mentally by him?
    Is the girl who called for help guilty of straying from the teachings of the bible then?

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  18. "Welshcakes - the gay and feminist movements would never have got off the ground except that America gave them a major boost. This is the American spirit of tolerance."

    You think?
    Or do you think maybe they got off the ground in America from necessity? (American spirit of intolerance).

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  19. Jame, we're not all suited to that ideal.
    Why should we have to live in total misery?

    The Christian ideal, btw involves staying single.

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