| If a people vote in a referendum not to ratify a treaty and then the parliamentarians go ahead and ratify it, does this constitute high treason? | ||
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| Selection | Votes | |
| Yes |  89% | 16 |
| No |  11% | 2 |
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| 18 votes total | ||
| pollcode.com free polls | ||
See here for the post. I have great respect for Bob Piper and when he says:
... he's partly right. The mistake is that their world really will have "disappeared down a black hole" and it's been amply demonstrated why. It's just that they will be blind to it - the oldest political problem in the book.
Cassilis says:
Even on these pages and of course in more august journals, the direness of the EU swallowing England, far from being "creeping" is "creepy" and can be seen, if people would only look. Look at tag "eu monster" for some articles. Coupled with Lisbon itself is the equally dire Common Purpose which is nefarious in the extreme.
Perhaps, at first, the average Englishman will see only peripheral incursions into his self-centred world but it's the "boiling frog syndrome". This is what socialism is and I should know - I was a paid up Fabian before I grew up politically.
The world which the EU paints is bleak and joyless but more than that - it depends on an Englishman meekly surrendering his Englishness. The EU is certain he will, on a promise of filthy regional lucre.
I sat down with half a dozen people at our local jazz club last night and the consensus was, "we should have had a referendum". When asked what it was they wanted a referendum about, which parts of the Treaty upset them... silence. When the election takes place in June 2010... and their world hasn't disappeared down a black hole, it will be so much wind and piss, I suspect.
... he's partly right. The mistake is that their world really will have "disappeared down a black hole" and it's been amply demonstrated why. It's just that they will be blind to it - the oldest political problem in the book.
Cassilis says:
With one or two exceptions I find both sides in the EU referendum debate intensely irritating. Too often the Europhile agenda seems built on nothing more substantial than an intense self-loathing, distrust of the US and a belief that further integration will help facilitate more social democracy than any Westminster election could deliver. The Europhobe agenda often boils down to an exaggerated fear of that same social democratic ‘creep’, a ridiculously outdated view on ‘Johnny foreigner’ and a geopolitical outlook still rooted in the 19th century.
Even on these pages and of course in more august journals, the direness of the EU swallowing England, far from being "creeping" is "creepy" and can be seen, if people would only look. Look at tag "eu monster" for some articles. Coupled with Lisbon itself is the equally dire Common Purpose which is nefarious in the extreme.
Perhaps, at first, the average Englishman will see only peripheral incursions into his self-centred world but it's the "boiling frog syndrome". This is what socialism is and I should know - I was a paid up Fabian before I grew up politically.
The world which the EU paints is bleak and joyless but more than that - it depends on an Englishman meekly surrendering his Englishness. The EU is certain he will, on a promise of filthy regional lucre.
Ultimately, Bob's comment is irrelevant - it matters not a jot if people do not understand the detail; the loss of sovereignty, the delegation of law making to an unelected body. All of this is by the by. All three major parties went into an election on the promise of a referendum. They broke that promise. In so doing, they broke their contract with the electorate and are now illegitimate. They have no moral right to the power they wield.
ReplyDeleteThat and that alone is the point, and one that Bob's pub companions understand even if he does not.
Gawd, James!! you can't label all socialists and lump them together any more than you can all feminists!
ReplyDeleteI seriously think we're getting close to the point where some will say, why should I recognise the laws of liars and swindlers? By what right do they pretend to govern?
ReplyDelete"Things fall apart
The centre cannnot hold..."