Tuesday, January 08, 2008

[tory plan] the need to think it through

Hain, predictably, is against the Tory plan which is basically:
People who claim Jobseekers' Allowance for more than two years would have to take part in a 12-month community work scheme, under Tory plans.

The party says those who refused to participate in their "welfare to work" programme would lose their benefits.

The 2006 stats were:

North East - 7.6% (worst in Middlesbrough - 12.4% - 8,000)

London - 6.8% (Hackney - 16.4% - 14,000)

West Midlands - 5.6% (worst in Birmingham - 10.5% - 46,000)

North West - 5.1% (Liverpool - 11.1% - 21,000)

Yorkshire & Humberside - 5% (worst in Bradford - 8.2% - 19,000)

East Midlands - 4.7% (worst in Leicester - 8.5% - 11,000)

Eastern England - 3.8% (worst in Norwich - 9.1% - 6,000)

South West - 3.5% (worst in Torbay - 5.6% - 3,000)

South East - 3.3% (worst in Thanet - 9.8% - 6,000)

If one excludes disability allowances and other payments for the genuinely incapable and if it were possible to isolate the malingerers as a group, what can one say about them? I mean, they're never going to hold any job for long, even if they could get it.

I sometimes wonder what would happen to them if NO money was coming in. Would they cease to exist or would the result be an added cycle of crime?

Incidentally, interesting regionalization in those stats above. Fait accompli, yes?

5 comments:

  1. What were the stats for Scotland?

    I'm not usually one to agree with Tory plans but as they go, that one isn't too bad. Why shouldn't they have to work for the money they get? And if they're working for and contributing to there local community then all the better.

    I live across from blocks of tenements, there is one block in particular where I know for a fact the guy deals drugs from his home. He doesn't work and more than likely collects every benefit under the sun. Why should society at large have to fund this particular man's existence? When he himself does nothing to better society? In fact what he does do is aid the local communities degradation.

    Make them work, there's no reason they can't. In the least it would help raise community esteem.

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  2. I don't disagree but he might claim he is working and that that is his business. :)

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  3. This Anonymous 1's comment from the other post:

    Of the 5 permanent seats at the UN, I note that EUSSR now has 2 votes.
    France and The UK

    And is the UK really the UK anymore?
    Does our vote at the UN represent Northern Ireland, for example, given that we now need a passport to get there from England?

    Why aren't we hearing howls from the other permanent UN members about our double vote?

    AT what point does devolution of Scotland and Wales, who already have offices in Brussels, and are increasingly digressing in political, monetary and fiscal, and cultural, from the norms of the UK (save financial funding debate for another day) result in them debating whether they should be represented at the UN.

    And at what point does the electorate collapse under the additional overheads and taxation required to run this corrupt behemoth (EUSSR, and UN)and the millions of officials and their lackies, and interpreters, and accompanying shiite, all traveling incessantly between many sites, and claiming expenses.

    How about a financial health check on Mr corruption himself, The Kinnocks, for example, they do seem to love the gravy, and fail to act on reported corruption, and Kofis son, and....and....and.

    How long before we line'em all up, and execute them, to the last standing.
    And shout ENOUGH!
    WE ARE FREE MEN.

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  4. This is Anonymous 2's comment from the other post:

    Welcome to british multiculturalism, which adds much vaunted variety and richness, and economic value, to our culture.

    WHO WILL SPEAK FOR THESE PEOPLE?

    WHERE ARE THE POLICE?

    WHERE ARE THE SOCIAL WORKERS?

    "In my country we also have a custom.
    We execute those who place live widows on their husbands funeral pyres.
    So you follow your customs, and burn your live widows, then we will follow our customs, and execute you"

    So where is our integrity, our sense of rightness?
    Where is our moral strength?
    Where is our moral outrage?

    All dumped in the trough of multiculturalism that is a formula for ethnic segregation and ultimate chaos

    Commissar brown may seek to prop up his failed socialist economy with Sharia banking and legislative thought police, BUT he damn well should realise the costs of his outrageously failed experiment, and the whiplash, and where it will ultimately strike.

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  5. Well if that's the case then they don't need to be collecting benefits then do they? :)

    They should front up their profits and pay tax like the rest of us.

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