Sunday, August 23, 2009

[venezuela] latest global battleground


Now here's a turnup for the books:

The BBC's Will Grant in Caracas says some parents have threatened to take their children out of school if there is any socialist material on the new curriculum, while teachers' unions warn that they will boycott classes, and university students say they will stage further protests.

What the *&^%$^?!!!! A teachers' union and students actually protesting AGAINST socialism! Oh, like it, like it very much. And the BBC faithfully reporting it for once? What's come over them?

More:

A previous attempt at education reform was one of the factors that led to mass protests in 2002, eventually culminating in a failed coup attempt against Mr Chavez.

Thousands of protesters against Chavas asserting state control of education, his proposals ostensibly to bring education to outlying areas and to the whole population. Ha - indoctrination is the name of that game and well done to the people who are essentially Catholic and won't have their faith stamped out this way.

The really frightening aspect though is that this bash-Christianity thing has got so far round the world but then again, remember Quantum and Dominic Greene - the reach of the enemy is extensive, predicated, as it always is, on money and power. Chavez is clearly, behind his little piggy eyes, into the power and as a willing tool of global socialism, will do as he must to become the demi-god he craves to be.

Those funding him, as always, are cynical and as le Chiffre said, are interested only in "a reasonable rate of return".

Actually, that's what they say up front but their mission is not religion-neutral in the least - it's just as religious as the mission of Islam and the mission of Christianity. The precepts of the religion they follow intergenerationally [just do your research - they DO follow one], can be found in Lucis Trust publications, Shamballism [very well named piece of gobbledegook offering no redemption but a drug-fuelled panacea] and using the billions in shadow money to promote it and bring the movers and shakers under its influence.

You decry this?

Go back through the
pre-Napoleonic era of France where there's a luxury of evidence illustrating this very process, evidence which was recognized, yet mishmashed into the film Brotherhood of the Wolf. As always, we're talking about a cult belief of a small number of people but those people are the ones at the top. That's the difference, the whole difference here. It's not the weirdos in the house on the corner down the road from you - it's Them at the top who are seriously into this stuff.

Once again, look at this post and tell me if these are the words and actions of sane people?

Hence the savage attacks and the campaign to de-Christianize Christendom and the way they're doomed to fail in this generation. The protestant churches [I'm nominally C of E but haven't been to church for years, operating outside of the mainstream] have fallen away due to the failed leadership of those at the top and all sorts of apostasies are now being brought in to destroy it from within. If you were to examine the carcasses of the protestant churches, you'd see them riddled with relativistic, equivalent, humanistic white ants.

Only the Catholic Church, itself riddled from ancient times [Councils of Nicaea, Jerusalem, Jamnia et al] with apostasy and serving the ends, at the quasi-papal level, of the bulls of Bashan which encompass it, still stands and at least mouths the words of the Nazarene, Jesus [who happens to be my hero]. The most important role of the Catholic Church today is that it is the only official body standing as a beacon in the eyes of the far-flung believers around the world.

Long may it stand for that reason alone and for the notion behind the confessional - one's accountability for one's actions. Pity the world leaders, like Brown, Obama and Chavez, dance to the beat of a different drum.

Martin Kelly writes:

In his book 'How the Reformation Happened', Hilaire Belloc recorded how the decline of Catholic belief in the British Isles was more the result of generations growing up without the habit of Catholicism as through any sudden change in public mood.

The English Reformation had no Winter Palace moment, no Father Gapon, no Battleship Potemkin; just a slow and steady erasure of habit, abetted by the repetition of the same lies, and to which the forces of truth were too slow to respond.

This is why Chavez might nominally succeed, i.e. he will bludgeon the new education law through and have his Tiananmen Square massacre, backed by enormous forces of darkness and an interminable flow of cash to wean the country off the Catholic "superstition", backed by the international association of serpents [all the humanistic and pagan organizations]- he will have all these things as surely as night follows day but he is still too early.

This generation still has sufficient devotees, countrywide, to consciously resist the corrosion, whilst in their daily poverty and practices, with the carrot of the lifestyles of the rich and famous dangled before their eyes, their hearts are slowly won over and more importantly - those of their children.

This generation in Chavezland are still Catholic though and will resist the dictator.

The sad thing will be the next generation, lured by everything which plays on the base instincts of humanity, from the shiny 'Mon Oncle" new whitegoods mentality, to credit cards, to the cesspit on the internet [every home has a cesspit as well as a bathroom - this doesn't brand the whole net, of course] - that will be the real destruction of tenets of the faith.

As Martin puts it again, about the English Reformation, the decatholicization and the current [post-80s] push within Britain [and by extension, the west]:

Precisely the same process of rewriting history through myth-making and outright lies has been at work since at least 1997, and the accession of New Labour. We are not 'a nation of immigrants'; never have been. Yet that is the official lie, designed to condition the people into a way of thinking from which they can never be turned aside, which began to appear shortly after that date.

Privatisation robs a man of his goods; cultural privatisation, the redefining of a culture according to the whims of a rather freakish cultural elite, is vastly more insidious. No doubt the plan is to say it often enough to ensure it seeps into the common consciousness, to become an accepted habit of thought; the advance of minority parties shows it to have failed massively.

Let's look at that again - "a culture according to the whims of a rather freakish cultural elite". Yes, that's precisely what we have, this blog has examined its scriptures and goals and it is jaw-dropping in its horror - what these people at the top really do subscribe to. The very things this nation and America fought against in World War II, the very base principles driving on the Nazi evil, are alive and well in the Werner von Braunesque and Kurt Waldheimesque political elite today, pan-Europe and pan-world.

This isn't just Higham ranting at you - there are articles by many bloggers around the net, not in the least Christian, on this very topic - the nature of the political elite. What many of these bold colleagues of mine fail to grasp though, on account of their rationalist perspective, is that there is a religious fervour to much of what the elite does, out of synch with the supposed cold, rational, steady-the-ship mentality they like to project.

What is socialistic fervour after all?

Do you honestly believe it does not have its evangelical aspect to it? Do you honestly believe that the men and women driving it on at the elite level are not converts to another religion? The black joke is that they think, at the lower echelons, that they are doing it for themselves and for their families, for a better life, not understanding how they are hoodwinked and ... serving the ends of another deity.

Before you attack those last six words, the word deity can mean "that which obsesses a person so that his whole existence is driven by serving its ends".

All that's happening with the global socialist push is that they are seeking to replace the hold the Judaeo-Christian ethic had on people with a completely different paradigm. But it's the Old Enlightenment Lie at work. In turning everyone into good little humanists, believing only in the power of Man [just look at the French Revolution to see just how well Man regulates his affairs or read Chekhov], there are two birds killed with one stone.

Man is left defenceless before the ravening wolves and beasts of Bashan and in steps the new messiah, in whatever form you like at the time - Moloch, Ishtar, Ea, it has many names. Now you reading this - the city gent, the office worker, the non-religious majority - what you fail to understand is that the cocoon you occupy is not where the political elite are. And where are they? In their summer breaks, they are here. Read the link at the top of the post again.

I am the old soothsayer mumbling to himself on the steps of the Senate and you are either Caesar, smiling indulgently at these words, on the way up the steps or else you're one of the murderous senators, secure in the knowledge that Caesar will not listen to the mumblings of an old soothsayer. I'm one of many soothsayers and we say:

If you throw the baby out with the bathwater, if you throw out the Judaeo-Christian tradition and its precepts, you do not create a Brave New World of peace and harmony but you merely leave yourself and your families exposed to the ravening wolves and fall into the hands of a political elite who are anything but benign.

Please wake up before it's too late.

Would Caesar have heeded these words?

25 comments:

  1. James I think Chavez's massive funding comes out of being an oil exporter- his fortunes have fluctuated with the oil price and he could not have afforded his socialist programs without the presence of oil.

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  2. No argument there. He has. Which is where the mechanisms are always so clever. There is always a genuine and plausible front, e.g. it ALL comes from oil but the arcane stuff remains in the background.

    For example, the policy moves of Obama appear to be driven by party and Democratic think tanks, aside from commitments by previous administrations.

    One of those was the NAFTA biz, which again appeared to have admin roots but in fact, it comes out of the 2005 CFR paper which caused the March 13th meeting Bush/Martin/Fox which no one knows of in the least, except in the marginalized rightwingnut press and sites.

    Thus the roots of the actual agenda remain hidden. Any little blogger, like me, who stumbles upon these things is on a hiding to nothing.

    Therein lies the essential thing we're up against.

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  3. Oops - Anon and Winfred commented while I was writing just then.


    Anon - the bastards. Follow the logic here. The authorities were overexuberant in nailing someone for the bombing. The real crim is back home. This guy gets nailed to appease the people.

    However, we've played into the hands of the enemy when they choose to list the 20 grounds, which I have no doubt are cogent. So, through shoddy legality, he gets the sympathy of people who believe in justice - US, not the enemy, who doesn't give a s--- about justice.

    Thus they've outflanked us. What morons are supposedly on our side.

    Winfred - yes it is but also see my answer to Tiberius.

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  4. Obama is opening military camps and air bases in Columbia, and providing military equipment.

    It's a bridge into.....

    Whats the usual action of a well armed, drunken, egotistical, despot, who's just run out of money and credibility? What does history teach us?

    Common enemy....start another war. Unite the Sheeple behind the flag.
    False flag action. Soon be anniversary of 9/11

    Take your pick, any one of a dozen nations, besides, the CFR says we need thinning down, we breathe out CO2, we need capping and trading.

    You got mail.

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  5. "...he will bludgeon the new education law through and have his Tiananmen Square massacre..." He already had one on April 11, 2002.

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  6. 2002 On April 12th every major paper in the USA ran a story that Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez had resigned as he was, "unpopular and dictatorial." In fact he had been kidnapped under a coup, where he was imprisoned on an army base.

    Following sympathy from the guards, the coup falls apart and President Chavez goes back to his office one day later. Interestingly he has video evidence that whilst he was imprisoned on that base a United States military attaché entered the base.

    President Chavez, demonized by the controlled western media, gives milk and housing to the poor, and gives land not used for production by big plantation owners for more than two years, to those without land. His big crime however, was in passing a petroleum law that doubled the royalty taxes from 16% to 30% on new oil discoveries, which affected Exxon Mobil and other international oil operators.

    He also took full control of the state oil company, PDVSA, which before was nominally owned by the government, but in actual fact was in thrall to these international oil operators. Not only that but President Chavez was also the President of OPEC (Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries). The main reason is, however, that President Chavez fully rejects the World Bank's, "Four Step Strategy," and plan to reduce wages of the people for the benefit of the bankers.

    Indeed President Chavez had increased the minimum wage by 20%, which has increased the purchasing power of the lower paid workers and strengthened the economy. His minister, Miguel Bustamante Madriz, fully aware of the danger Venezuela poses to the bankers when people contrast the fact it wouldn't let them in, for example, with Argentina who did, stated,

    "America can't let us stay in power. We are an exception to the new globalization order. If we succeed, we are an example to all the Americas."

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  7. And What was the 4 step strategy, design to enrich the financiers behind the IMF and World Bank?

    2001 Professor Joseph Stiglitz, former Chief Economist of the World Bank, and former Chairman of President Clinton's Council of Economic Advisers, went public over the World Bank's, "Four Step Strategy," which is designed to enslave nations to the bankers.

    Step One: Privatization.
    This is actually where national leaders are offered 10% commissions to their secret Swiss bank accounts in exchange for them trimming a few billion dollars off the sale price of national assets. Bribery and corruption, pure and simple.

    Step Two: Capital Market Liberalization.
    This is the repealing any laws that taxes money going over its borders. Stiglitz calls this the, "hot money," cycle. Initially cash comes in from abroad to speculate in real estate and currency, then when the economy in that country starts to look promising, this outside wealth is pulled straight out again, causing the economy to collapse.

    The nation then requires IMF help and the IMF provides it under the pretext that they raise interest rates anywhere from 30% to 80%. This happened in Indonesia and Brazil, also in other Asian and Latin American nations. These higher interest rates consequently impoverish a country, demolishing property values, savaging industrial production and draining national treasuries.

    Step Three: Market Based Pricing.
    This is where the prices of food, water and domestic gas are raised which predictably leads to social unrest in the respective nation, now more commonly referred to as, "IMF Riots." These riots cause the flight of capital and government bankruptcies. This benefits the foreign corporations as the nations remaining assets can be purchased at rock bottom prices.

    Step Four: Free Trade.
    This is where international corporations burst into Asia, Latin America and Africa, whilst at the same time Europe and America barricade their own markets against third world agriculture. They also impose extortionate tariffs which these countries have to pay for branded pharmaceuticals, causing soaring rates in death and disease

    There are a lot of losers in this system, but a few winners - bankers. In fact the IMF and World Bank have made the sale of electricity, water, telephone and gas systems a condition of loans to every developing nation. This is estimated at 4 trillion dollars of publicly owned assets.

    These steps have been common practice for decades, and indeed created the "third world".

    Western sheeple belief their banker controlled press.

    In September of 2001, Professor Joseph Stiglitz was awarded the Nobel Prize in economics.

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  8. Well, I think I get the general idea. Next someone might even be emailing me about puritanism. :)

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  9. Great God Almighty, that man of the people, Hugo Chavez.

    Generally, when a man looks like a thug, he is. At least he is a thug does not have the intelligence and charisma of Fidel. Oh, sorry, another great man of the people.

    Didn't Yassir Arafat win a Nobel prize? It must have been for explaining that corporations do not ever pay taxes, their customers do. It's a suckers game than never runs out of marks.

    Competition is the only trustworthy principle of regulation. The only one. 'Ambition must be made to counteract ambition, by defect of better motive', because there is not anything else that works. Governments only role is to see that happen through the abstact principle of law.

    When government is the corporation, it fulfulls its own ambition. There is nothing more stupifying than monopoly. There is nothing more monotonous than the socialist mind. They derive consolation from being supervised by thinking that they have chosen their supervisors.

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  10. It is regrettable that so many misunderstand Venezuela, and the position of Chavez.

    9/11 in fact saved Chavez and Venezuela. The Bush administration became more focused on Iraq, Afghanistan, and could not handle Chavez at the same time.

    Just prior to that time, the country was flooded with US gov. operatives, CIA, and private operatives from other agencies, collectively known in the trade as Jackals. These created the uprising through the liberal use of funds, and other distortions, that led to the 2002 event, which failed, and the US, busy falsifying evidence for WMD, could not follow through.

    They could handle neither a war on 2 continents, nor the international outcry, and their sole friend in all this blood-lust, Blair, was incapable of landing anything more than a holiday party in South America!

    I am surprised at your reaction, Xlbrl.

    Theories, and abstract notions of competition, free markets, socialism, are fine on paper, but in the circumstances, Chavez was surrounded by nuclear wolves at his door, and jackals flooding into Venezuela to subvert the government. He had displeased Washington, and knew the consequences, those consequences vividly played out with deadly reality throughout the SA continent in recent history. In the circumstance he was very brave.

    He is now probably aware, given Obamas motivation, which incidentally has not yet been revealed in all its parts, that his turn for military problems, and a noose, is rapidly approaching.

    The pendulum between socialism, capitalism, and the American version of international business, which is neither of these and a perversion of the truth, always swings too far in whatever direction. And yes, Chavez is economically ignorant, and given the circumstances, far LESS brutal than the US has ever been, but his looks have zero relevance.

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  11. Describing Chavez as an economic illiterate is a kindness he by no means has earned. Just as, we should not conclude Marx or Obama are economic illiterates only because they are wrong in everything they believe to be true.

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. That describes most socialists, but Chavez is only a strong-man using the form to attract power. I'm not recommending one over the other.

    It always shocks me when a people or a politician does something right in Latin America. Honduras, Columbia, Chile. Even when a thing must inevitably be played out, there is no reason to make excuses for a Chavez. He only represents and exposes a real weakness in Venezuela, as Obama does in the US. They didn't make us what we are, not yet. And the US did not make Latin America what it is.

    Tocqueville--
    Where in the world do you come across more fertile wilderness, broader rivers, and more untouched and inexhaustible wealth than in South America? Yet, South America is unable to sustain a democracy. There are no nations on earth as wretched as those in South America. We see in astonishment the new nations of South America being torn asunder for a quarter of a century by an endless succession of revolutions and we expect to see their return to what may be called their natural state. But who can say for sure that revolutions are not these days the most natural state for the Spanish of South America?
    The people dwelling in this beautiful half of the Western hemisphere appear stubbornly determined to tear out each other’s entrails; nothing can divert them from such an end. Exhaustion drives them to take a moment’s rest which becomes the impetus for a fresh bout of frenzy.
    Simon Bolivar--
    I consider that for us, Latin America is ungovernable; whosoever works for a revolution is plowing the sea; this country will ineluctably fall into the hands of a mob gone wild, later again to fall under the domination of obscure small tyrants of every color and race; we will be dominated by every kind of crime and exhausted by our cruel excesses.
    The most sensible action to take in Latin America is to emigrate.

    How we think when we are doing poorly determines how long it may be before we are not. This industry of blaming America for the failures of Latin America is only inflicting cruelty.

    The socialist solution is simply to make America and other prosperous nations like the rest of the world. It's got traction.

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  12. Xlbrl

    I'll just add...

    The US coup against Chavez was using the exact methods used to remove Mossadegh in Iran, and replace him with a US friendly Shah. That was the intention.

    Otto J Reich was a senior Regan official investigated in relation to the Iran Contra affair, he is a veteran of South American "struggles".

    He was appointed as US Ambassador to Venezuela, and has also served as assistant secretary of state for Inter-American Affairs by Presidential appointment.

    The fall of Chavez would have been a certain achievement for him.

    Unlike Mossadegh in Iran, Chavez had managed to keep the military on his side, despite many of them being educated and trained at the notorious "School of the Americas". Such being a US facility for the training of South American personel, with the deliberate intention of creating loyalty to the US, - a fifth column if you will, in the military ranks of foreign nations.

    Wiki goes easy on it!

    History shows,
    Guatamala, where the CIA overthrew a democratically elected gov. in 1954. The ultimate long running strife, over 4 decades killed roughly 200,000 civilians.
    Chile, a CIA supported coup placed Pinochet in power.
    Also, Peru,
    Also, Panama, where Manuel Noriega was in fact spying for US intelligence for almost 20 years,
    Also, Nicaragua,(contras) in the 1980s.

    And others.

    What was the problem with Chavez? Could it have been his supplying oil to Cuba, and his relationship with Libya? But these were all sovereign states, what business could this have been of the US to dictate?

    You quote Tocqueville on the beauty of the region, and Simon Bolivar on the instability of the region, and then claim there is an industry of blaming America for the failures of South America, and saying "How we think when we are doing poorly determines how long it may be before we are not", (lack of ambition) and the "socialist" blaming has traction.

    Maybe you are blinkered.

    The US has organised multiple Coup since at least the '40s, and is heavily implicated in the kidnap and assassination of many national leaders of the region, the common denominator being oil or minerals, with narcotics as a disguise.

    Economies have been deliberately raped using the Four Step Strategy outlined above, for the benefit international banking, and of Wall Street, and the military/industrial beneficiaries.

    The industry of blame has traction for a valid reason.

    Chavez was/is, a man of his time, he came to power at a time when the oil price had declined, resulting in widespread poverty. The economy was a classic model of disequilibrium between rich and poor found in most oil reliant economies that had not diversified into other industries than oil, and a classic example of a country shamelessly exploited by "corporatocracy".

    Maybe it is time for a change, but not one imposed by the US, and not as a slave to US policies. Other coup in the region have shown that change must come from within, gradually, with consensus, and not imposed consensus.

    The US should forget the "strings"

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  13. This one's not dying away and I can report there are a few people following this debate.

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  14. Turning to your comment on Marx, and Obama.....

    Their positions, actions, beliefs are consistent with each other beneath the surface, and will probably achieve a result that no-one other than a select few would appreciate.

    But it goes deeper than that.

    No, they were/are not economic illiterates, economic principles are not what guide them.

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  15. Not dying, eh, James?

    I do not doubt that the United States has long had a hand in Latin American politics, clandestine and otherwise. It would have been astonishing to Madison had it not. I could no more say that I approve of each and every event than I could say I approve of Roosevelt or Obama.

    It is not American meddling that causes the great Latin dysfunction. American meddling is a result of it. There is one spectacular example of success, and that is why it is hated above all others. That is Chile. Their right to be unfree was robbed by an ingenious plan from the other Chicago, the free one. Freidman's Chicago boys made them economically free before they had political freedom. That is why a detested revolution stuck. Chilians even have a choice in Social Security participation. Unforgivable.

    Looking back in full hindsight, the Shah belongs on Mt. Rushmore. What a terrible example for your cause, whatever it is. Maybe we can alter the face of Teddy Imperial Roosevelt to make room for him. I'd make that trade.

    All those sins and sorrows. Compared to what?
    How fantastic it would be to take the trip of "It's a Wonderful Life", and see the actual world in which America does not exist, never existed. Instead we are aimed at sliding into that eventuallity, fulfilling mankinds instinctual craving for union and uniformity. That is a thing that must always represent the lowest common denominator in human affairs, as even the very intelligent will be forced to discover as his face is ground into it.

    I am not at all opposed to radical change in the ways America does its business. We would not agree in what the purpose was.

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  16. Xlbrl,

    Madison was one of the few who really understood. Given that, he would probably have resisted, and attempted to restrain those powers who finance and persuade of the correctness of (now) global intervention.

    He fought implacably against them.

    And this is where most Americans become confused.

    Take a look at Obamas latest military, and that includes ALL military, defence, clandestine, NASA-soon to be united with commercial interests, and weapons projections, and the budgets for such, and ask, Who is going to pay?

    The projection of power is aimed towards absolute encirclement and global domination. Delivery of overwhelming power (destruction) anywhere in the world, from a US base, in less than one hour!

    Most nations have now realised that the US deficits that they are financing, in fact, finance their own military, including missile, etc, encirclement. And they are unhappy.

    Bernanke is now prepared to purchase T bills via foreign shores and has invented a new analysis category to hide that fact, absent foreign purchasers. I hope he realises where his re-appointment places him when the hindsight of history clarifies events, and asses need covering, as you would perhaps say.

    But to return to my point, many nations object to the US self-appointment as Global policeman, and in particular the eternal arrogance that assumes that they should be the ones responsible for funding that role.

    I would also be the first to admit that many nations also shelter under that umbrella, without paying an appropriate part. Perhaps we can argue that the premium attaching to the luxury of a global reserve currency, and the shelterers consequent disadvantage, constitutes that payment. You can therefore understand the reluctance of those nations being threatened, to be disadvantaged by that premium

    You could, and probably will, as I see from your latest post, argue,"better the US, than somebody else", but that does not make it correct. You would then argue, as you already have, "tough, we have the right".

    No you do not, sir, and neither does anyone else. Not if your arguments on "freedom" in previous posts are to be believed! You can argue, but not impose. You can discuss, but not manipulate behind the scenes. You cannot manipulate economics and international finance flows to destroy economies, creating death and starvation, for US entity profits, and expect the thanks of the entire world. You become a totally dishonest, corrupted policeman.

    This is not socialist drivel, as you frequently try to maintain, it is fact, and as more nations realise, it becomes more certain. You decry as unrealistic the urge to be "equal" as somehow "an unnatural state", as inequality will (almost) always exist in a correctly run egalitarian society. And I agree.

    It should read, "equal before the law".
    Sadly, the concept of "International law" is mostly embryonic in many fields, although attempts are being made, usually in the wrong direction. International law, as written by the US, chiefly the Bush (CONTINUED)

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  17. era, is significantly pro-power, pro US, and not conducive to reasonable international law development.

    The only restraining collar on many nations is the US military power, which Obama is now seeking to vastly expand. (And we should think deeply about that, given that there is no competitor with anywhere near that capability, even in the future!) Nations have realised that, and moved the arena towards your Achilles heel, the balance of payments, and the strength of the dollar, which cannot be manipulated for ever.

    All those sins and sorrows. Compared to what?
    How fantastic it would be to take the trip of "It's a Wonderful Life", and see the actual world in which America does not exist, never existed. Instead we are aimed at sliding into that eventuallity, fulfilling mankinds instinctual craving for union and uniformity. That is a thing that must always represent the lowest common denominator in human affairs, as even the very intelligent will be forced to discover as his face is ground into it.


    I think that paragraph more than illustrates my point above.

    History shows that wherever your country has intervened it has never been out of true altruism, there have always been enormous benefits accruing to the intruding financiers, and always economic disadvantages to the intruded upon.

    You well understand to what I refer, and there are numerous historical incidents that do not bare close scrutiny or analysis below the surface of popular spin, not excluding WW1and WW2.

    Nothing is what it seems in this particular world, the international power play (for that is what this is all about,) has a convoluted agenda, and I am unwilling to penetrate the layers here.

    That the majority of both our nations populations seem to be unaware of these facts perpetuates their frequent happenings and allows the manipulations and spin to repeat. The incredulity of the masses is the best defence.

    That is sad, in the extreme: a system that has enormous benefits has been corrupted beyond measure to serve the few.

    I am now going to draw my end to this discussion. Thank you for your attention. I hope we will meet in a newer forum in the near future. Indeed, we probably will.

    Regards and respect.....

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  18. How fantastic it would be to take the trip of "It's a Wonderful Life", and see the actual world in which America does not exist, never existed.

    There's a point I made on another post, that there are different America's. The Rumsfeld gung-ho, CFR backed America, the Obama international socialism America, the average middle-class lover of the constitution who believes in American know-how and so on.

    The people inolved in Latin America and all the major troublespots have an American element but they are stateless entities with no concept of national identity. They are globalsits of an American ilk and we have ourt globalists, like Mandelson, of a British ilk.

    One has to be careful using the term America does, in the same way that Brown has no right to use the term "Britain says".

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  19. That is a more clear understanding than you presented before, Anon. It is more clear because you did not attach good associations with bad associations. Chavez is a strongman like innumerabe men before him, and to follow, always present and waiting their turns within all civilizations and cultures except the Anglo-American one, as Bolivar explained. In what is happening in and through that dominant civilization presently, Chavez plays no part except the one common to his kind. He only spies advantage for himself in it.
    As it is seen that a good liar must tell more truth than falsehood, so must an evil man do more good than bad. It is fortunate that Chavez does not know how to do good without playing the fool, and is only a man whose desires far outrun his capacities. See Chavez admire his master like a puppy. And we see what Fidel has brought to Cuba. Is that what "independence" from America represents? I would say it most definitely does represent that in the dreams of the Left.

    We want to take some care, when we make a journey, what characters are getting on the train to our destination.

    What has happened within America over eighty years is really monumental, and is a story that is better told without imparting good motives to very poor men. You may be of some part of the school that believes 20th century
    American 'progressivism" is the continuation and fruition of an ideology that could not be sustained in Russia, and is on pace to control the earth through the centralization and uniformity native to our instincts. Burke offered warning.
    "Seldom do two ages have the same fashion in their pretexts and the same modes of mischief. Wickedness is a little more inventive. Whilst you are discussing fashion, the fashion is gone by. The very same vice assumes a new body. The spirit transmigrates; and, far from losing its principle of life by the change of its appearance, it is renovated in its new organs with a fresh vigor of activity. Under colour of abhorring the ill principles of antiquated parties, they are authorizing and feeding the same odious vices in different factions, and perhaps in worse."

    When we finally understand something, we are too quick to make friends who are only different enemies. We can do no better while we fail to understand those peculiar things that in fact once combined to make Britian and America unique and great.

    It is good you are partial to Jimmy Madison. He was the best of the Founders. But he opened the door with his Doctrine. They all had regrets.

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  20. An explanation for the comment posting problems - after three days, it automatically goes to moderation. Your comment, Xlbrl, was in the moderation queue.

    I've changed to five days now.

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  21. It has always been announced before when moderation was on, but was not this time; and I am easily confused. I once voted for jimmy carter.

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