The Northwest Passage, the dreamed-of yet historically impassable maritime shortcut between Europe and Shhh - don't tell anyone this because I'll be accused of being a climate-porner by fellow bloggers:
Arctic ice coverage has receded this week to record lows, the European Space Agency said, raising the prospect of greater maritime traffic through a long-sought waterway known as the
No it hasn't. It hasn't receded at all and I'll go into denial if I want to - I'm a blogger, after all. Despite the overwhelming body of bl--dy evidence and the consensus of the major world scientists that it has, they actually know nothing and bloggers know everything. Don't argue or we'll start calling you names.
... has now fully opened up due to record shrinkage of Arctic sea ice.
Brilliant- I have to say the fact I can manipulate HTML definitely makes me a better climate scientist than someone with a PHD in it.
ReplyDeleteYou're called a climate porn person because of the way you claim things James :)
ReplyDeletebody of bloody evidence of climate change - check, again, you may not have got the memo, but no one argues against climate change itself, it's the CAUSE that is the problem ?
consensus - you may just want to strike that word from your blog as it means NOTHING in science to have more people wrong than the other guy? :)
M'lord, you're a classic. I've actually claimed nothing - I've simply quoted the scientists but if you feel you know better than them, you'd best nip down and claim your doctorate immediately.
ReplyDeleteThe evidence itself was laid down point by point in a series of posts with Odiyya and elsewhere - irrefutable scientific evidence and it really becomes tiresome having to do it over and over. This in this post itself is clear evidence. North West passage open? When in history?
Having no counter arguments which stand up, elements in the blogosphere resort to ad hominem name calling. In which way does answering evidence with calling "climate porn" address any of the points which were made?
The acceleration of these phenomena was clearly shown to be due to human agency, let alone what simple logic dictates. This is a "claim" only in the sense that where scientists have found consensus on what is occurring, they have said this and where not - they say it is not settled yet.
And the point is anyway that the phenomenon is actually happening, that's not so good and it needs to be addressed. Playing ostrich is not going to solve it.
The St Roch made the trip between 1942 and 1944 - so it was navigable at that time.
ReplyDeleteClimate change? Yup, business as usual - climate change has been occurring since the planet hardened from molten rock and will continue to do so when we are long gone.
During the Permian period around 95% of marine life and 70% of land animals were wiped out by it.
Anthropogenic global warming? er...
The question Longrider raises, that it has always been, is addressed here:
ReplyDeleteit's always been
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/
2006/12/13/23557/437
nasa graphs
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/
In other words, there is a quite measurable rise over a significant recent time period but it also holds true over the length of modern civilization to a lesser degree.
As for the St Roch, the term "navigable" is debatable becasue it encountered thick ice on the way and that's why so few ships are credited with the feat.
Navigable seems to suggest traffic to and fro [which is now being mooted] but this was not the case when these two ships did the journey.
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ReplyDeleteIt's silly to ignore basic chemistry.
Burning Carbon frees carbon to reacte with oxygen, creating CO2.
Hence, less oxygen, less Ozone, more radiation coming through.
Gentlemen,
ReplyDeletelet's forget about science!!
Having done so, we may also forget those who either think they stood in the first line when wisdom got distributed or, they have eaten knowalledge with spoons in Old Nick’s kitchen, and therefore understandably claim to know all better than scientists.
What matters they cannot even correctly spell a philosopher's monosyllabic name (i.e. Kant).
Fact is: The essential inherent interior essence in which is hidden the root of the kernel of fast climate change is easily to be found, when reflecting a couple of seconds about what Schopenhauer once defined as "the sounding board of brain": Genitals.
The Peace of the Night.
You asked a question. The answer was 1942 - 1944.
ReplyDeleteThe key words, dear Longrider, are "fully navigable". This was clearly not so earlier, as I stated above, in 1942-44:
ReplyDeleteAt one point, Larsen, of the St Roch, asked "if we had come this far only to be crushed like a nut on a shoal and then buried by the ice."
It was possible only under certain conjunctions of circumstances and that's why it never became a viable proposition.
You quoted it to counter assertions that climate change has now altered the situation but as the ESA has shown, it clearly has altered - it is now "fully" navigable.
And the only way that could be so is if there had been significant melting and that could only be so if there had been warming and that could only be so if the greenhouse gases had contributed which in turn owe much to human activity [see later post].
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Er, no, I did not quote it to counter assertions that climate change had altered the situation. Climate change has clearly altered the situation. You asked when in history this had occurred before - the answer to that was between 1942 and 1944.
ReplyDeleteYou never mentioned "fully navigable". Re read your own comments - "North West passage open? When in history?" Answer; between 1942 and 1943. My dictionary (Collins) refers to "navigable" as being wide enough to sail through - nothing to suggest to and fro. I used to because it described exactly what I wished to say; that a ship navigated the passage; nothing more, nothing less.
Sorry to be pedantic, but I do like to see precision in language ;-)
This is nothing new. No one is suggesting that change is not occurring, merely the extent to which it is anthropogenic. I remain a sceptic on that one. After all, the scientists were assuring us thirty years ago that we were about to enter a new ice age. They got that one wrong, didn't they?
Incidentally - I couldn't get those links to work.
Dear Longrider, sir, I stand corrected on your correction and thanks for the additional info - it has been interesting.
ReplyDeleteNow, as for "you never mentioned 'fully navigable'", I do think it's a fair inference through the words:
historically impassable
record lows
greater maritime traffic through a long-sought waterway ... and:
... has now FULLY opened up due to record shrinkage of Arctic sea ice.
Perhaps I was wrong to infer "fully navigable" from this and if so, I unreservedly apologize. :)
Ah, well, remaining in pedant mode:
ReplyDelete"Historically impassable" - demonstrably not true.
Whereas "record lows" - possibly true. It all depends on how far back records go and how much evidence is available. One of my concerns is that the records being used don't go back anything like far enough.
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