Saturday, November 24, 2007

[handguns] the right to bear arms

I'm caught right in the middle of this debate for reasons apparent below and for some not so apparent.

Bob G opens with:
From WWII:
 "You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."
--Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto
To which Dave Cole replies, in the context of "if they were ordered to":
The US armed forces could, with conventional weapons alone, reduce much of America to so much rubble.
Bob gives a thoroughly American answer:
Soldiers in the armed forces swear loyalty to the Constitution, not the people running the government. It is a question of whether people will let it get to the point of no return. Once a nation is disarmed and programmed to always obey, there is no hope left.

Matt Wardman noted:
We have seen that soldiers will obey orders bordering on illegal orders when pushed to do so. And that commanders will then attempt to sweep things under the carpet, and blame it on the little guys.
All are right. Firsly, there is this charming and amazingly simplistic faith in America, for America and you see it in every bowling alley, every supermarket and on every beach. The type of patriotism which is Americanism, the American Dream, powerful and focused on one flag, one people.

Sadly, the problem we have is with leaders like Brown, who are openly traitors to the UK. He's not a traitor [in his own mind] towards England itself for the simple reason he doesn't recognize England as a separate entity but he does end up technically a traitor for selling out a constituent part of the UK to the EU.

So there is national chagrin over who we are, abetted by the EU regionalism [divide and rule]. If we fly the flag, which is it? The Union Flag [and we can't even celebrate 300 years properly]? The flag of St. George? St. Andrew? The crescent on a green background? It would never be the circle of 12 stars and have you ever wondered about that design? They're laughing in their sleeves in Bavaria. Council of Europe is most amusing for those with a sense of arcane history.

Not so in the U.S.A. One flag, one dysfunctional nation indivisible, huge pride and a belief that the CFR's proposal to carve up the U.S.A. [divide and rule], by stealthy means, is not only crazy Ron Paul stuff but it's also unpatriotic or would be so if we were Americans saying it and we're not Americans.

It's a beautiful faith, focused on one unchanging flag, the Stars and Stripes and you mess with that at your peril. Whereas the EU has hopes of foisting another flag on us over here, no one in his right mind will try that on an American.

But there are ways.

For a start, Matt is right, Manchurian Candidate is right, behavioural studies are right - people will kill their own, for some time, in a crowd context, for fear of reprisal. Also in terms of stealth and Emperor Palpatine treachery. Bush did agree, on March 23rd, 2005, that the functions of state become three nations at the start of 2009. At least the process begins and takes some years. Sorry America but he did betray you. It's on record. clinton will continue the agenda - she's CFR. So is Thompson.

But Bob wasn't referring to the people in charge. He was talking about innate Americanism which can take up arms and defend itself against the aggressor. Trouble is, the enemy is inside - Cheney, Rumsfeld, Clinton - hell, Cheney even referred to himself as the White House Darth Vader - it's on record. He is dropping hints as all that crowd do, all over the place. Hillary's in on the joke on America. Funny stuff, huh?

The average American has this notion of some great macro-invader [Russia? Iran?] whom they can all be patriotic against. It doesn't work that way. You'll never get a chance to turn on the enemy because the enemy is not visible. They are snakes in the grass, unmanly, slithery, metamorphosing into different forms to meet the changing circumstances.

Bush never signed anything in March 2005 - the CFR are correct. He simply agreed and it is now coming out in the actions of government behind the scenes, allowing Mexican truckers in here, signing this right away there. All done in offices at desks and tables. There'll never be a visible enemy.

American patriotism is simply factored in. And how can I know that? Because I've studied it. It's available if you do your homework but the American won't do that because something inside him which recoils against the idea that his national icons are traitors e.g. four time Roosevelt.

We, over here, have a living example before us every day - Brown and the EU. Lord Nazh says he'll be glad to prove me wrong. He'll never do that, not because I'm right but because they'll never be sufficiently visible for m'lord to do so. But that's un-American, he mutters. Come out and fight, you lily-livered wimps.

Think it through, Lord Nazh.

Are traitors ever likely to come out and fight, guns drawn at High Noon? Of course not. The way anyone fights the U.S. is by stealth [except for England, who've had their moments, and Russia]. Korea, Vietnam, China.

Please don't shoot the messenger. It must be apparent that this blog's American readers are very valuable but the blog doesn't deal in half truths and illusion. It prefers to tell it as it is.

So should Americans carry weapons? Yes - because it makes the enemy think twice before they factor that in and Americans end up with the "right" to bear arms but with all the "arms to bear" either impounded or inaccessible - used for the "war effort".

Against that, there is that small Andrew Jackson factor in there, where the American can be pushed so far and no more and if he does get any inkling what's going on - which I'm telling him is happening but he's so far ignoring - it's the end of the ball game for the snakes.

They know that - they've factored that in.

10 comments:

  1. Aren't the people who bear their arms just doing so to show off their muscles?

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  2. James, another "good 'un". My hat is raised. :)
    In considering a further comment to this, and your previous post, I feel it is time to move on.
    Between your superb coverage, and the considerable comments section, probably a significant proportion of the treasonable treachery, the illegal financial dealing coming from ODPM, and the illegal operations of the various ODPM funded entities, should now be apparent to all who care to read them.
    Many of the characters involved have been exposed, as are their cross-trustee and cross-directorships, their qualification base, (university background), and their affiliations. Little has been left to the imagination
    The structure and functionality of the regions has been discussed, the hierarchy within them, and their representations and reporting to the EU have been covered.
    The pattern is now unfolding with passports, bus passes, regional finance, etc, all proceeding exactly as prophesied.
    There is no doubt in my mind that we are proceeding in the UK (thats a laugh) along a path leading to a model based on the Soviet, but with infinitely more efficient control methods.
    There is NO point talking party politics, as the same hymn sheet is used by all, - the die is cast. At this late point a referendum cannot be allowed.

    So, where do we go.

    Initially, I thought the sub-prime, and its collateral damage was an unplanned event that could de-rail certain aspects of THE PLAN.
    Given the official 2 year silence concerning the sub-prime machinations, and the rating agencies looking the other way, - Now, I am not so sure.
    It may be that a final blow offand rebound is needed in order to steal more wealth from the middle and lower class "pe-ons", both native and foreign. This may take another four - six years-ish.
    Sovereign wealth funds have, I believe, realised the game plan. At this stage it is difficult to judge whether they will work with, or against it.
    Russia and China? - - spin the wheel.

    However, these snakes always leave themselves a back door and by finding that back door, and using their methods, one can make reasonable plans at a personal level.
    This requires a knowledge base, and training not normally available to many. I have found that those who do possess it are invariably reluctant to pass it on, based as it is on considerable "hands on" experience, and wrong judgment being catastrophic.

    Aligning that knowledge base, with the general thrust of the betrayal of democracy in the UK/EU with the imposition of the EU, and arriving at any conclusion, in a blog (sphere), is tricky. One has to draw from such a diversity of sources, and ongoing actions, each having debatable reasons/consequences.

    You, James, know where I am going, so you know the difficulties.

    I need to think!

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  3. Speaking of my native land, Oscar Wilde summed it all up when he wrote: "America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between."

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  4. "Trouble is, the enemy is inside"

    Very true, as is most of your analysis. What may not be so obvious to those physically outside of the US though, is that there is a very large segment of the population who are aware of this and are very adamant about being beaten down. This is not obvious from the main stream media, as most of that department is very much against personal responsibility in society. Most of the gun owners are somewhat libertarian in their attitudes, but they are ignored by the media. In the western US where I live, the federal government has always been considered the last resort. During our history the government was never there when we needed it, so most of the people became somewhat of individualists and looked after their own safety. We had a lot of large areas that were beyond the government's control. The state I live in, Utah, has more area than the island of Great Britain, for example. And it is not considered a large state. The federal government wasn't interested until there were enough people to start fleecing for taxes.
    A lot of that attitude has been lost, unfortunately.

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  5. James,
    I told a friend of mine in another country every time I go abroad, something bad happens. I'm going to study in Spain next semester. The result? The Supreme Court will be hearing a BS argument brought forth by the mayor of DC about whether the words "the right of the people" in the 2nd Amendment mean people as individuals or gives the feds the ability to regulate (read: confiscate) firearms. He's upset because an appeals court shot down the city's worthless thirty year old ban on carrying concealed firearms within city limits. So, if we are ruled against by the Supreme Court (arguments set for March, decision by June, just in time for my return stateside), this will set a precedent to systematically wipe out our Bill of Rights thru the means of judicial precedent. As far as the CFR are concerned, they're in trouble. If I remember correctly a statistic from a public polling class I took, 41% of Americans vote Presidential and Congressional elections based on one issue. The election is a little under a year away but the deciding issue will be illegal immigration (I call them illegal aliens, as that is what they are). They are a symptom of a larger problem, no enforcement of immigration law, symptom of something larger: the NAU/SPP. 2008 will be high noon for all involved. If they (the CFR) win, they'd best watch their backs come January 21st, 2009. Like I've said before, I wouldn't do anything violent until my life is imminently threatened. I can assure you many others will not sit around to wait and find out.

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  6. Having lived in south central la rath erhtan Utah, i would suggest a limit on guns if at all possible.

    Owning a gun does not help you when your daughter is shot at school.

    resort to force is the route of the ignorant who cannot find it to defend themselves through lehal means.

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  7. "resort to force is the route of the ignorant who cannot find it to defend themselves through lethal means."

    Oh, here we go again.
    Easy to say, slicker, but you miss the point, as usual.

    The point is had the daughter carried a gun, the outcome may have been different. Surely that is obvious.

    There will be a time, not far from now.........................

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  8. Faith in America? Bullshit. Does that include all the draft-dodgers?

    If Brown is a traitor, so are all the people who signed the Washington Treaty that gave up a portion of military sovereignty.

    If the attraction of the Stars and Stripes is so strong, why was there a bloody Civil War?

    Does the right to bear arms extend to the Schwerer Gustav?

    Argue for guns on civil libertarian grounds. Say they reduce crime. You like hunting. Whatever. Please spare us this American exceptionalism.

    xD.

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  9. Whatever, that's now thrown into sharp relief by the latest shootings.

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