I wrote about the Russian attitude to homosexuality here.Bag wrote, I believe tongue-in-cheek … Quick. Set the Police on to her.
Not Saussure may have missed Bag's intent [or not] … Remember James is writing from Russia, Bag.
The link shows the homosexuals beaten up in the Moscow parade.
Russia is a country of family values and traditions. It believes that a man and a woman get together, marry and have a family, though not always in that order. There's always been deviance [using the term to mean 'differing from the norm in this particular society'] but in the acting profession and certain other sections of society.
It doesn't see any problem with what they call 'normal relations' as the model for society. It's a literal country. The doctor is dressed like and looks like a doctor. The airline pilot looks like an airline pilot. The pharmaceutical chemist looks like it, in his white jacket and mask.
A little girl looks like a little angel and stays with mama and babushka. A little boy roams the yards but not the streets. A man must be strong for his woman because there are many dangers. A woman must also be strong in her own way.
This is their society and true, it is changing, becoming more westernized.
Into this comes the foreign gay activist to coordinate a demonstration of local gays. The man is therefore on a hiding to nothing because he is directly challenging a huge society's values. I'm quite surprised he is still alive. Maybe he's on borrowed time, unless he can get out of the country quickly.
Please read nothing more into my comments than what I have stated.
I was appalled by last week's TV pictures of gay activists being punched in the face and then the activists being arrested. There is something very, very wrong there.
ReplyDeleteSorry, Peter Tatchell is a vile wretch. I don't condone violence but I'm so pleased someone nearly punched his lights out.
ReplyDeleteI'm with mutterings and meanderings on this. Strikes me that Russian homosexuals have a right to equality of treatment with heterosexuals and that they should be allowed to demonstrate for that right. I can see what you are saying about Russian society- but unless there are protests there won't be change and change is what is needed.
ReplyDeleteTiberius, you are ignoring one thing. Jeremy, as everyone knows, is most even-handed in his appraisals and he's right that this man Tatchell deliberately went over there as a rabble rouser and the photo which adorned the British press had him grimacing and acting as if he'd been brutalized but it said absolutely nothing about the provocative comments which were made to those Russian hooligans in oreder to get it to happen.
ReplyDeleteAs I said, it's a measure of the restraint of the new hooligan that he wasn't snuffed out. Fifteen years ago he would have been.
None of this has anything to do with the gay issue whatsoever and everyone knows that. It was all to do with provocation, knowing full well the British reaction once it was presented this way in the papers.
I'll just like to say that I was joking when I made that statement. I thought it would be obvious but clearly with something like this there could be doubts.
ReplyDeleteMy views on Homosexuals is not too outlandish. I don't care about that aspect of them. Just let them get on with it and leave me to get on with my life. They don't threaten me or my way of life. The problem with the activists is you have to agree with them or you are against them. Our namby pamby politicians and do gooders push this line although most people are not interested and being forced to do something causes them to dislike it. They are causing most of the upset with all of this special treatment and attempting to force acceptanceon others. They should have legal partnerships, be treated the same, etc. but one area I have concerns about is adoption.
Now as far as I am concerned someone beating someone up because he is homosexual is wrong. I would do something. However someone beating up a homosexual activist. Mmmmm. I didn't see anything guv.
Whether you like Tatchell or not, whether he provoked anyone or not ... did you see the blood all over Richard Fairbrass's face? OK, you might hold 'I'm too sexy' against him, but from what I've seen of the man, he's not objectionable. The beahviour of the crowd, and the police, were objectionable.
ReplyDeleteI mean, if there hadn't been Suffragettes, women may still have been fighting for the vote.
If people don't stand up and demonstrate for the things they believe in, nothing ever changes.
M&M, it's not a case of liking Tatchell or not. He's a professional agent provocateur who went with the other one, Fairbrass, making sure the camera's were rolling and then uttered provocations which he'd learnt to a bunch of hooligans such as you'd see in any country, not just Russia [is Britain so innocent?].
ReplyDeleteDid I see the blood on the face? How could one not when it was all so lovingly photographed for the press?
Quite frankly, this was one giant beat-up from woe to go and had zero to do with furthering gay rights. It was all for Tatchell and Fairbrass. Another of this variety is Alex Jones.
It's a pity good people were taken in by this beat up.
I realised, of course, that Bag was joking; I just thought the idea of calling the Russian police made it even more bizarre.
ReplyDeleteWell I'm not getting into the big issue here, but why is the pharmacist wearing a mask, may I ask?
ReplyDeleteIt was an appalling scene full stop.
ReplyDeleteI again point to the Suffragettes (poignant on Derby Day). I disagreed with the fact one of them ran in front of the King's horse to make her point but I agreed with the point she was trying to make...
The world is a different place now. Most protests now are aimed against governments not society and aimed to force extra privileges for the protesters.
ReplyDeleteThe Suffragettes does not compare with this protest. They were women who were fighting to get women accepted as equals. These gays are fighting to get everyone to agree they are superior and get some extra privileges.
In one way they are similar. If only their men had not been wimps and told them to stay home that day. Weak men easily converted to the dark side. Such is the powerof sex.
Bag, perhaps the world is a different place, but Russia doesn't always seem to be ...
ReplyDeleteAs I understand it (and on planet M&M, it is a given that I am always right), the protestors want equal rights not superior rights.