Follow up notes

From the comments thread

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An interesting follow-up interview with Rebekha Roth is now available: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8n9DPB2LOw // Someone posted: Quote: ”I am a flight attendant for 30 years. Flew out of JFK the morning of 9/11 on TWA flight #3, we were scheduled to leave at 8:00am. I was the in-flight Service Manager (head stew). 

But when I got on the plane it wasn't the same tail number plane we were supposed to go on. It was a Boeing 767 but it was one of our older ones. I was the flight Service Manager and was told by mechanics that the plane we were supposed to take got an alert from bomb sniffing German shepards that morning and they had to switch planes, and take this older 767 out of the hangar.

 

The plane was stripped bare, and I advised ramp guys that I was not going to take off or board passenger's without emergency preparedness cards in seatpockets and other items that were required safety wise. If I had not taken that delay God only knows what would have happened. Also in hindsight, why would they let flights out of JFK still take off if they already knew by this time they had a definite problem, and two rogue planes off their flightplan out of Boston!!?? 

That flight eventually took off out of JFK 9/11/2001 at 8:42am wheels up (looked at my watch as we do), on climb out we suddenly jolted and took a nose dive then jolted again, and began ascent again. I went up to cockpit right after they turned off seat belt sign still shaken, to enquire what had happened?? They were pale and visibly still shaken as well, and said they didn't know as soon as they were making their ascent turn towards Manhattan they near missed an aircraft flying fast out of control and crazy. My airplane made frightening maneuvers to avoid FLIGHT 11. We came extremely close to a horrific mid air collision on climb out. We should have never been allowed to take off at 8:40am from JFK a/p in NYC with 3 airplanes having their transponders turned OFF!!! Flight 93 took off after 8:40! They would later say during our sequester in Ohio for 4 days that we all came very close to death that day. 

More happened that day, during and after we landed that made no sense, and like the the Flight Attendant in this video said, followed no standard established safety protocols. I was so upset by the obvious set up I also stopped flying shortly afterwards, as I no longer felt protected by anyone or anything controlling things!! This is all true. 

In closing I must add. As airline personell we are required to take an emergency review class 8-5pm, once a year, required by the Federal government. At the end of this review we take mandatory emergency operations, and safety protocols, hijacking, ditching, plane configurations, operation of plane doors and all emergency equipment exams. Including a brush up in CPR certification. Now during this course they did something they have never in 30 years, ever done!! This was the last Friday in August 2001. 

During the hijacking part of the class, they constantly were making more of being aware of the threats of some middle eastern man named Osama Bin Laden. I was so taken back by this rather off program, and strange kind of focus they were, and kept placing on this particular middle eastern man looking at soft targets like air travel, who I had never heard of. So I asked my instructor, "why are you focusing on this one particular guy so much?? I have never seen anyone actually named like this before. Who is he exactly, and is there something specific we should know about him? " The response, "oh no just using him as a reference". Very strange, and again all trueI! I Worked for TWA until American took us over, but we were still flying under TWA plane paint white and red. I Was badly injured on the sharp descent we took flying into Dayton after being ordered to land about 10:00am or so by an F16 over our left wing. I can assure you all these incidents happened to me that fateful day. I am not saying them to agre nor disagree with the woman being interviewed. I will say that having been a flight attendant 30 years on 9/11 flying in TWA flight 3 that morning.

A very informative post: Quote: ”I was a telephone operator in 2001 and I've examined the call routing log for those calls. All were processed by an operator (OSPS) but the terminal numbers have been redacted. This is a dead giveaway that diversion took place, most likely an observation bench in DC. When someone places a call from one calling area to another using the aid of an AT&T operator, regardless of how the call was billed, the document produced (a routing ticket) is printed with the terminal number of the operator that connected the call. On the logs that I've managed to see, the terminal numbers were scratched out. Those numbers can trace the call back to the exact building and seat number, and eventually back to the operator that assisted on the call. When I saw it was scratched out, that was a dead giveaway. Why would that information need to be kept secret? The average Joe can't do anything with it.”- End quote. 

A firefighter posted: Quote: "I talked to people, who were on the ground near the WTC, who said they suddenly saw an airplane and as they followed the thing, it suddenly disappeared then reappeared and hit the building (there are some who say those were hologram projections so I thought that testimony from competent folks was fascinating - not saying that's the case, ok. It's just interesting to me). - End quote. 

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Why does she say cell phones don't work at altitude like that's some kind of absolute statement? There are different types of cell phones and networks and locations a plane could be at altitude which will vary the level of reception or attenuate it to unusable. A ballpark metric could be just under 10 miles or so within city limits an analog cell phone would still have service. That's close to twice the average altitude these planes are flying. A newer phone maybe half that at 5 or 6 miles, something a little over 25,000 ft. If we arbitrarily just plug the altitude at 25,000 feet that's still coming pretty close to possible for a newer cell phone, and entirely plausible for an older one with better reception. 

This is just an example of something which bothers me.. a detail which seems so easy for us to come to a mutual understanding on but the facts about this detail remain utterly polarized. Cell phones, at that time, at those altitudes, in the location of those flights, were either capable of call-making signals or they weren't..

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Another thing, I was in flight school during 9/11. My instructor said “regardless of what news said, no 767 can go 600-800 knots” and darn near ground level”. At altitude, yes but it would come apart at ground level at those speeds.

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I flew out of Boston in  2008. My little daughter who was 3 months old was being fussy so I took her to the rear galley so I could rock her to sleep. A lovely flight attendant asked if she could help me and took my baby and cuddled her. We had nothing left to do but chat. 9/11 came up and she told me the following. She had flown from Boston to LA for 30 years. She loved it as she and the regular crew became family. On Sept 10 2001, for the first time ever, she was instructed that her next flight was to be Boston to SFO, not LA. This was incredibly strange to her, but she did as she was asked. Her regular flight hit the WTC the next morning. A few weeks later, she claimed she was visited by the FBI and asked to identify Muhammad Attas as a passenger that she had served on a previous flight. She was highly emotional telling me this. She had No reason to lie to me. It’s a conversation I have never forgotten. God Bless you all.

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No genuine phonecalls was transmitted from those planes. The FBI cannot verify a single call or tower location from the planes. There were no airphones available on board on any of those four planes which could be used by the passengers, and the government version of the alleged phone calls from Flight 93 appears quite strange. The call from Mark Bingham to his mother, he says his full name to her, Mom, “this is Mark Bingham”. He wouldn't say his last name. Nobody would. The moment his mother hears his voice, she would know it was him. If anything, he would just say this is Mark..

Someone posted recently. Quote: ”It's very odd.. I used to work for Oracle, I still know quite a few Oracle people. They ALL don't know who "Todd Beamer" was, who claimed he was on a trip back to Oracle on board flight 93. What universe was he travelling to?”

Add this to it, the cell phone records from the "Let’s Roll" Todd Beamer made calls hours after the crash of flight 93. 

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”I was a telephone operator in 2001 and I've examined the call routing log for those calls. All were processed by an operator (OSPS) but the terminal numbers have been redacted. This is a dead giveaway that diversion took place, most likely an observation bench in DC. When someone places a call from one calling area to another using the aid of an AT&T opera-tor, regardless of how the call was billed, the document produced (a routing ticket) is printed with the terminal number of the operator that connected the call. (For example, ATGA0406S 14:18 would indicate Atlanta, row 4 terminal 6, supervisory at 2:18EDT.) On the logs that I've managed to see, the terminal numbers were scratched out. Those numbers can trace the call back to the ex-act building and seat number, and eventually back to the operator that assisted on the call. When I saw it was scratched out, that was a dead giveaway. Why would that information need to be kept secret? The average Joe can't do anything with it.”

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I have the audio recordings of the ATC Cleveland stating that 93 was on the ground there and being deboarded due to a bomb threat. The passengers were loaded on to busses by the FBI and taken away.

My take on it

My reactions to the different parts of the whole saga are either definitely - maybe - what's it matter - maybe not - or no way.  For example, CD on WTC7 is a definitely, that NIST lied during the presser I've modified to false information somehow or other.

I never really studied the twin towers, concentrating on WTC7 but have seen the arguments, not this lady's though.

Remember I was in Russia at that time, getting it through a remarkably free and open net, a hacker's paradise too at that point.  Also, our cell phones in England prior to that were of the chunky kind, I still called Russia from London, quite a clear line to a landline over there.

On a flight heading for Asia, I called my gf from the phone in the plane handrest, can't recall if that was Singapore Airlines or not. But it was not cellphone.

What the lady says in the video - I give it a 'what's it matter' which way it was done ... gas in the plane interior or buses taking passengers away ... she could easily be mistaken on that but not on the details she'd most certainly know of, plus she has colleagues she's obviously run this past.

As I say, I did not study twin towers.  Did a plane crash as per narrative?  IMHO unlikely, more likely to be something directed or hologram and explosions or whatever ... again, that's not crucial.

The purpose of the blaming was crucial though ... the agenda post 2001.  When was Abu Ghraib by the way?

Perhaps the most poignant moment for me was the radio host's comment to her, given that he lost family on that day, that he's sure that whatever else happened, there is an element of the govt which has certainly gone rogue, is completely out of control, with zero moral compass.

In 2022, we'd call that element globo and not specifically US but international.  I have said since 2001, whenever I hear the 'but they would never' ... what on earth do you base that view upon?  That this rogue element 'would never' do something?  We'll just have to agree to disagree on that point.

As for all the fine detail, who knows?  Some rings true, some to varying degrees less so, at least to me.