Revisiting an old friend from the Year 2000

While still on the topic of adjusting one's ideas to current realities, a source I once used much was Svali so I thought I'd dig out some of what she said in that interview with HJ Springer, Chief Editor CentrExNews.com., 2000

Remember that this was the millennium and there were all sorts of concerns 21 years ago, even about time itself.  There was much about about satanic dissociation, two women had brought out books about sex slavery and of course were dismissed. A decade later, one was seen as controlled opposition, under the control of a covert operative. 

At that time, a Nero Wolfe episode we've run here on the FBI was made and judge that against what we know about the DOJ, the FBI and other agencies vis-a-vis DJT - has the leopard changed its spots?  Also, it was coming out just then about the 1970s doings - Gottlieb and his psychotic drugs used on people, Jolyon West and the world psyche network, HAARP and detractors were working overtime to auto-debunk as more and more came out.

And it was true that some over-reached, which detractors leapt upon, as it was bundled in with the moon landings, Diana etc.  This was the time when it was all coming out as people took to the net.  I became 'computered' in 2001, politically sentient in 2003 and was blogging in 2006. It was all new then and discernment was for twelve years or so down the track.

Yet what was coming out from court records was harrowing and true - I keep referring to Alisha Owens and Paul Bonacci.  Do not forget Belgium and Dutroux.  Into this came Svali who took a different tone and though swhe was not thoroughly debunked or set upon, it was suggested she was just this woman with an overactive imagination and too much fantasy reading - you know how it goes.

Even by her own lights, she was a cult family daughter in San Diego and she worked at the local human experimentation lab.  So her knowledge about the bigger picture we are after could only be from her perspective.  For her to know this at least, in itself, is quite indicative for the time:

[They're] a group that practises a form of faith known as "enlightenment". It is Luciferian, and they teach their followers that their roots go back to the ancient mystery religions of Babylon, Egypt, and Celtic druidism. 

They have taken what they consider the "best" of each, the foundational practices, and joined them together into a strongly occult discipline. Many groups at the local level worship ancient deities such as "El", "Baal", and "Ashtarte", as well as "Isis and Osiris" and "Set".

This said, the leadership councils at times scoff at the more "primitive" practices of the anarchical, or lower levels. I remember when I was on council in San Diego, they called the high priests and priestesses the "slicers and dicers", who kept the "lower levels happy". 

I don't think I ever quoted that bit and I left the name of the group out because think back to 2006/7 - how would that have gone down with the average internet-ee?  

Then out came all the material on GH Estabrooks and that was par for the course - that was almost mainstream - hypnosis and drugs had been used for quite some time by the military and there were the two cases of Ewen Cameron and Selwyn Leeks which had actually made it to court, so it was not sheer fantasy.  Still - difficult to reconcile her first quote above with military psy-ops, until one mentions the word Mason.  And two names - Crowley and Aquino.

This next bit no one was going to come anywhere near from Svali:

I have seen set ups where a person was "burned alive" to teach the children not to tell. They are told that this is a traitor, who disclosed and now he is being punished. (The person wasn't really a traitor, and is in a flame proof vest, but the vision of a person on fire and screaming remains with 3 and 4 year old children for a lifetime).

Read again The Missing Children and Pizzagate and then consider adrenochrome - just before you say that is crazy fantasy, consider Klaus Schwab today.  What was he doing in the year 2000?

Q: How widespread would you say this group has infiltrated our society in terms of number of people?

A: [It was par for the course]

1. Banks and financial institutions (guess how many sit on banking boards? You'd be surprised)

2. Local government: guess how many get elected to local city councils?

3. Law: children are encouraged to go to law school and medical school.

4. Media: others are encouraged to go to journalism school, and members help fund local papers.

They also have excellent lawyers who are well paid to help cover their tracks. There are also people in the media paid to help keep stories from coming out.

Again - pretty much par for the course, no?  Certainly not negated by today's doings.  She named one over there, many pundits named Finkelstein and Peston over here.  Also, remember it was 2007 before Common Purpose hit the headlines here - Julia Middleton, Geoff Mulgan etc.  Thacker, Dick.

Weishaupt did not create the Illuminati, they chose him as a figurehead and told him what to write about. The financiers, dating back to the bankers during the times of the Templar Knights who financed the early kings in Europe, created [Them]. Weishaupt was their "go fer", who did their bidding.

Key point that and in that light, think of Schwab today.  The "go fer", as thick as pig excrement.  And remember, she's a San Diego lass - where did she pick up that sort of thing from?  One answer is that Germany comes into this later.

Q: How do ... members recognise each other?

A: Since it is generational, it's easy. It isn't hard to recognize one's father, mother, siblings, and neighbors and friends one has grown up with.

Good answer, that.

Are all Masons [of Them]? No, especially at the lower levels, I believe they know nothing of the practices that occur in the middle of the night in the larger temples. Many are probably fine businessmen and Christians. But I have never known a 32 degree or above who wasn't [Them], and the group helped create Freemasonry as a "front" for their activities.

There's not a great deal of dispute over what happened in Germany in Weishaupt's time, how it came to America, what Washington wrote on it, how tied up Jefferson and Franklin were, what the Statue of 'Liberty' undoubtedly is.  There's a duplicate in France.  It was not 'the French' who donated it, as in French peasants, it was members of a group donating to members over there of a group, different chapter. 

Over here, have you heard of Glastonbury and Rosslyn?

I was taught that the Them had its roots in the ancient practices that reach into the beginning of recorded time; that the Babylonians on the plains created ziggurats to their deities, whom the Them worship. They were proud of the fact that it was supposedly an unbroken occult line from then until now.

Just before you dismiss that, explain George H W Bush's 1000 points of light reference?  Explain Skull and Bones.  Bohemian Grove.  Tell me about Nimrod and Semiramus.  And to rationalists - if you can kill off Christianity, then guess whom you are then at the mercy of?  You think you're going to get your world of peace and love?  These people are the agensts of strife, always were, always will be.

Do you know any nice sweet communists who mind their own business?

And Obama at his acceptance - the Berlin temple of Ish *** - complete accident?  i mean, at which stage are you going to get real?  Symbolism, yes but they do believe in this s***.  That's whom we're dealing with.

[M]y mother was friends with Sid Gottlieb, who was part of the CIA. The farm I grew up on was only about a half hour away from his home in Culpeper, Va. She also knew the Dulles family. A lot of the researchers in the CIA were part of it, and I visited Langley, Va. at intervals growing up. MK-Ultra was funded in part with Illuminati money. These people use the most sophisticated mind control techniques on their members, believe me.

There are those over there who feel VA is quite off in ways they can't quite place ... but distinctly off.  Let me add this:

If you have any sense of ancient history, you'll know about A-L and Isis. VA went Biden, SC is far more sane and yet they were the first state to secede.

[When they met in] Europe, (these are the head training groups for the Northern Hemisphere and European continents) the Russian, German, French, British, Canadian, and US trainers all worked together. In fact, this is one reason why plurality of linguality is valued.

Remember that this interview was in 2000:

Q: China is starting to rattle its sabers and arm itself with nuclear weapons which are pointing at U.S. cities. Is all this occurring according to Them's agenda or is there still a fairly large 'uncertainty, random or x-factor' involved that is beyond the Them's control?

A: I have been out for five years, so my information is "old news". But the military buildup of China is part of their plan. There are members of the group who are Asian, and very opportunistic. The Oriental Mafia groups are very much linked ...

I once knew two thugs from Hong Kong branches. If you think not, ask a Cantonese speaker what Sao Lon Pey means.

I was told that around 2020, Them's agenda would be revealed openly. I don't know if this is accurate, or just propaganda that I was taught, or if they have changed this date since I was in the group.

Well, readers?  And who are sticklers for a plan?  Germans?

The scientists that ran the MK-Ultra and other governmental mind control programs were  brought over from Nazi Germany. That's why you will find that mind control victims ALWAYS speak German or have a dissociated part that speaks with a German accent; they are mimicking their abusers, which is very common.

Germany if far more than just a country - and I don't mean the northern Prussians, I'm referring to the Bruderheist in Bavaria. 

Another obvious one for 2000:

Q: I just find it amazing that this sort of topic gets next to no press attention, considering the amount of evidence available.

A: Here is where I will sound really, really cynical. I'm not surprised, because their leadership often boast that their best protection is that no one would believe what was happening. They also have their own media blitz campaign, one that is pretty effective.

Has that changed?  Graphene oxide?

Lastly, one I've quoted many times:

One reason that our economy continues limping along is the artificial support that the Federal Reserve had given it, manipulating interest rates, etc. But one day, this won't work (or this leverage will be withdrawn on purpose) and the next great depression will hit. The government will call in its bonds and loans, and credit card debts will be called in. 

There will be massive bankruptcies nationwide. Europe will stabilize first and then Germany, France and England will have the strongest economies, and will institute, through the UN, an international currency. Japan will also pull out, although their economy will be weakened.

Well of course.  New currency.  Electronic, no cash. People's lives meaning zero to these people - never did but now it's open. You want to stay alive?  Comply.