tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31655026.post6126220878352359458..comments2024-03-29T04:30:50.738+00:00Comments on nourishing obscurity: [samantha geimer] why is no one listening to herJames Highamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14525082702330365464noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31655026.post-44388687587549453282009-10-02T17:39:39.176+01:002009-10-02T17:39:39.176+01:00This has now been closed off on this old site and ...This has now been closed off on this old site and has transferred to <a href="http://nourishingobscurity.com/2009/10/02/samantha-geimer-the-story-continues/" rel="nofollow">the new site here</a>.<br /><br />Thanks for all contributions thus far.James Highamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14525082702330365464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31655026.post-65185566523415076532009-10-02T14:42:42.586+01:002009-10-02T14:42:42.586+01:00I think they should leave him alone!
he TOO was fa...I think they should leave him alone!<br />he TOO was failed by the justice system when he pled guilty to a lesser charge of sexual assault[I believe] on a condition of a guaranteed sentence if he did- and only AFTER he did so- the American Justice System refused to honour their agreement. <br />That being the case, their 'contract' should be nullified, as any other would be, as he should at best stand trial, ,not be sentenced.<br /><br />I am sure he would have hired the best trial lawyers,not pled guilty and taken his chances under the circumstances.<br /><br />And regardless of the crime, the courts[for everyone's sakes] have maintain integrity and honour plea bargains.<br /><br />Surely also, there are statutes of limitation on this which must have expired?<br /><br />It's Amercia grandtsanding.<br /><br />Also, I don't think he is a pedo. If he was into children others would have come to light.<br />Maybe she looked much older- and I believe one of the house guests commenetd she did, indeed, look and act about 18.<br /><br />I also read documents that she had a boyfriend whom she was sexually active with which her mother knew about], on a regular engaged in drinking on aregular basis and her mohter was most keen for her to be a model.<br />Why was the mother not charged with child neglect,herself?<br /><br />I don't think this is a true paedophile case but a statutory rape one.UBERMOUTHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15428848028109037855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31655026.post-53179960005078201602009-10-01T01:41:14.591+01:002009-10-01T01:41:14.591+01:00Polanski can withdraw whatever the fuck he wants t...Polanski can withdraw whatever the fuck he wants to, it will still not alter the fact that under oath he swore that he RAPED a 13 year old girl. He will still be guilty of that fact.<br /><br />Regardless of your past victimhood, this isn't about you, I'm not lecturing you on YOUR life or any part of it; I'm simply trying to figure out why ANYONE would want to defend the man who RAPED a 13 year old girl.<br /><br />The victim's desires no longer have merit in a case against the state. Also, Wisconsin law is not California law and if you'll notice I did not state that it wasn't possible, I said I didn't know, so get over your high horse.<br /><br />You're an ass, but then you knew that already. Now you're a Rapist defender, but you knew that too I suppose.<br /><br />Have a great day.Lord Nazhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15103136933766901900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31655026.post-75664777007270465222009-09-30T23:26:30.160+01:002009-09-30T23:26:30.160+01:00Yes, Roman Polanski drugged and raped a 13-year-ol...Yes, Roman Polanski drugged and raped a 13-year-old girl, then pled guilty to spare her a trial. And everyone would have been better off had the original plea deal been stuck to by the judge, instead of him suddenly stating that he was going to allow TV cameras in the courtroom to capture him sentencing Polanski to <i>life in prison</i>.<br /><br />That's why Polanski ran, the victim says she understands why Polanski ran, and numerous people filed affidavits against this judge for misconduct, including the victim.<br /><br />Let that settle in, Lord Nazh. Don't get self-righteous with me. I also tried to pursue my own case in the legal system. I don't like the ugly sight of nonvictims who don't know what they're talking about lecturing victims who do, so STFU already!<br /><br />You're also wrong about the plea deal. A defendant can have a guilty plea set aside <i>even after sentencing</i>. Check out State of Wisconsin v. Robert Johnson, case number 95-0072-CR. If you're having trouble here's the link:<br />http://www.wicourts.gov/sc/opinions/95/pdf/95-0072.pdf<br /><br />Get some education. As a victim myself I learned not to confuse what's right with what is legal. Your hysteria nothwitstanding, you don't care about the victim any more than the rest of this lynch mob. But if Polanski withdraws the plea, it will be <b>Polanski allegedly</b> drugged and raped a 13-year-old girl. Got that?<br /><br />You're welcome.Kristinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04350976542988396333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31655026.post-48890332935944456722009-09-30T22:23:37.292+01:002009-09-30T22:23:37.292+01:00Roman Polanski drugged and raped a 13 year old gir...Roman Polanski drugged and raped a 13 year old girl... let that settle in Kristine.<br /><br />It's always about justice.<br /><br />I'd have to look it up, but I can't imagine he could withdraw his plea at the sentencing stage. Yes sentencing, not trial.<br /><br />In a trial, all the sworn statements would be valid for the prosecution... it's hard to believe that anyone would think that the scumbag who anally raped a 13 year old would have a remote shot in hell of making it out of trial less than guilty.<br /><br />And no the rape charge cannot be dismissed because the original judge went back on his word (ie the plea agreement). The most that could happen is the Polanski would be tried for rape, sodomy, forcible sex with a minor, etc instead of receiving sentence for statutory rape (one of the sweetest plea deals ever done).<br /><br />Your rebuttal seems to be that since the 'American' system is not about truth and justice, that its simply ok to forget about the FACT that Polanski <b>Drugged and Raped (anally) a 13 year old Girl</b>...Lord Nazhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15103136933766901900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31655026.post-86424801903543362222009-09-30T19:17:35.471+01:002009-09-30T19:17:35.471+01:00Well, thanks for being (from my point of view) onl...Well, thanks for being (from my point of view) only the second blogger on the internet willing to take the rational, nuanced view. <br /><br />This is not about Polanski anymore. This is about American law - and the frightening prospect that Americans no longer know or care about our own legal system.<br /><br />"He plead guilty!" Yes, he did, largely to spare the victim a trial, which would have been traumatic but in retrospect is nothing compared to the pain that she says the courts have caused her. People plead guilty for all sorts of reasons.<br /><br />If he's brought back to the U.S., he could withdraw that plea and force a trial. Did people think of that?<br /><br />If he's brought back to the U.S., before even considering his punishment the courts will have to sort through all the affidavits taken out against the original judge (including, I believe, a complaint by the victim herself, who has nothing good to say about the man), because the judge reneged on the plea agreement and bragged that he was going to bring TV cameras into the courtroom to sentence Polanski to life in prison. Life in prison, folks. Not only did Polanski run - the victim says that <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/29/polanski.victim.profile/index.html" rel="nofollow">she doesn't blame him</a>!<br /><br />"People don't understand that the judge went back on his word. They don't know how unfairly we were all treated by the press. Talk about feeling violated! The media made that year a living hell and I've been trying to put it behind me ever since."<br /><br />Then, the charge of rape could be dismissed - and because of the original judge's actions, the current presiding judge has said that could happen.<br /><br />I wonder what all these people crying for Polanski's blood would think then. Would they learn a lesson about mistakenly thinking that the American legal system is about emotional satisfaction?<br /><br />This could be a win-win situation for Polanski: come back and get the charge dismissed, or fight and get out of jail to return to France. Or, he could die in jail fighting this. The stakes seem pretty high for someone who is not a deposed murderous dictator allowed to emigrate to Hawaii (Ferdinand Marcos).<br /><br />The point is, this is not about Polanski (and as you pointed out, it was never about the victim). This is about due process. Violating due process to "save the child" serves no one. Throwing innocent people in prison for "Satanic Ritual Abuse" served no one. Rushing to judgment on "child molestation" in cases that were ultimately overturned due to prosecutorial misconduct served no one, and ruined a lot of children's lives, to say nothing of their parents'.<br /><br />People act like they were there at Jack Nicholson's house. No, people, we don't know what happened - we believe the victim, because she was young and Roman pleaded guilty. If he withdraws that plea, then he has a right to a jury trial of his peers who must <i>assume him innocent until proven guilty</i>. Did people think of that, or are they too busy pounding their chests?<br /><br />These rights exist to protect us all, in case you become accused. (And I don't care how innocent you are - the judge can lie to you, and the police can lie to you. Always get a lawyer!)<br /><br />The American legal system is not about truth and justice, but the adjudication of facts, the establishment of the level of doubt, the administration of appropriate punishment, and the prevention of "cruel and unusual" of same.Kristinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04350976542988396333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31655026.post-90365229796743586222009-09-29T13:08:16.779+01:002009-09-29T13:08:16.779+01:00If Obama is actually really snubbing Gordon Brown ...If Obama is actually really snubbing Gordon Brown instead of having trouble fitting him in to a schedule then it is probably something to do with "the purely Scottish matter" of a convicted mass murdering bomber being let out of jail when it was promised by the UK he would do his time,when it was promised by the UK he would do his time. <br /> <br />(Imagine if Myra Hindley had been serving her time in a US jail and they had let her out before she died. I can see the headlines now.) <br /><br />A promise as good as the one promising a referendum...<br /><br />And, maybe I am being a bit mean, but how do you define feminism and feminist ideas? Votes for women? Withought seeing the actual comments I notice some guys take a woman not being willing to be a doormat as snippy feminism. yes I know some women can be as bad the other way but it does not make the other not true or make it ok.<br /><br />Yes Polanki is talented and yes he has had some real bad stuff happen to him. <br /><br />I don't know the full circumstances and details of what happened but he did admit what he did. If he admitted it as part of a plea bargain and he didn't really do it then there is something wrong with the system. So It is reasonable to figure he was guilty but ran away to avoid the consequences.<br /><br />Are you saying he has avoided it so long there ought to be some sort of statute of limitations on it?Moggs Tigerpawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06050823844924656462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31655026.post-41800629622654726582009-09-29T12:03:15.962+01:002009-09-29T12:03:15.962+01:00http://patterico.com/2009/09/28/huffpo-blogger-fal...http://patterico.com/2009/09/28/huffpo-blogger-falsely-claims-age-of-consent-was-14-when-polanski-raped-a-13-year-old/<br /><br />the latest over at Patterico's place, but read all his Polanski posts and you'll get all the sordid details.<br /><br />(yes there was a lawsuit/settlement and the victim got a sum of money)Lord Nazhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15103136933766901900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31655026.post-30279523481532710622009-09-29T11:10:51.880+01:002009-09-29T11:10:51.880+01:00Details are emerging and will probably emerg furth...Details are emerging and will probably emerg further. For example, I wsasn't aware she'd made money out of him. That does alter things. Seems a bit sordid all round really.James Highamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14525082702330365464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31655026.post-6664752493967661632009-09-29T10:16:18.490+01:002009-09-29T10:16:18.490+01:00Me too Lord Nazh. I hadn't realised that was t...Me too Lord Nazh. I hadn't realised that was the case here.alisonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31655026.post-58050248619657149822009-09-29T03:44:37.693+01:002009-09-29T03:44:37.693+01:00True Gracchi; but I still have a problem with any ...True Gracchi; but I still have a problem with any prosecutor who lets a rapist plead down to stat rapeLord Nazhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15103136933766901900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31655026.post-56942580027961532812009-09-29T00:59:17.806+01:002009-09-29T00:59:17.806+01:00Lord N- you are right, my mistake I'd forgotte...Lord N- you are right, my mistake I'd forgotten about that but I think hte point is the same anyway, justice should take its course, and if you are found guilty, you should serve your time like anyone else whether you are a famous film director or a tramp!Gracchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06344262838391424797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31655026.post-34624089580421345002009-09-28T22:36:27.031+01:002009-09-28T22:36:27.031+01:00'This is the untruth they have tried to foist ...'This is the untruth they have tried to foist on women - that only women care but it's just not true'<br /><br />Hmmm. In the short time I have paid attention to feminists, having never bothered before really, I have to say I have never come across that<br /><br />http://www.feministing.com/archives/017998.html<br /><br />Two of the posts are written by menAlisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05879980268991240902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31655026.post-64441044441443260132009-09-28T22:32:20.992+01:002009-09-28T22:32:20.992+01:00I understood he pled guilty as part of a plea barg...I understood he pled guilty as part of a plea bargain which was reneged on.<br /><br />I've heard of many innocents who have pled down a charge because the risk of being executed compares poorly to serving 10 years.<br /><br />Personally, I think that he should face the courts but at the same time the US should send back to Europe all those who face similar charges there but will not get extradited because the US refuses to extradite its citizens.<br /><br />Its the one sidedness that makes the US so popular abroad. One rule for them.Lord Tnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31655026.post-52417497072023957212009-09-28T22:18:13.747+01:002009-09-28T22:18:13.747+01:00James - I never said that they did? I simply said ...James - I never said that they did? I simply said how I feel in response to your post specifically which raised the issue in relation to them. Witness the whole of Hollywood lauding this man. In particular the good old boys. Their hideousness takes priority over feminists in this debate given the strength and power of their feeling on the issue.Alisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05879980268991240902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31655026.post-28959085904022272402009-09-28T20:25:02.819+01:002009-09-28T20:25:02.819+01:00I don't see this event as a feminist episode e...I don't see this event as a feminist episode either... it's a simple matter of crime and punishment. Polanski pleaded guilty, he should do the time. Justice served late is better than justice never served.Buckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05319116022465066060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31655026.post-73961797585941402532009-09-28T20:08:04.348+01:002009-09-28T20:08:04.348+01:00"Polanski shoudl go to court- if found guilty..."Polanski shoudl go to court- if found guilty he should serve the time allowed by the state for such a crime."<br /><br />Only thing I can say to this Gracchi is that Polanski is already guilty of this crime, he simply needs to be sentenced (he pled guilty to avoid more serious charges)Lord Nazhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15103136933766901900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31655026.post-89281119753031202702009-09-28T19:42:42.878+01:002009-09-28T19:42:42.878+01:00Jams, Tiberius and Xlbrl - all read and noted.
&q...Jams, Tiberius and Xlbrl - all read and noted.<br /><br />"I'm sorry but when it comes to immediate reactions to this issue I cannot first find fault with the feminists on this issue James."<br /><br />Alison, one little thing - the feminists do NOT have a mortgage on feeling that something done to women is wrong. Witness Jams above. This is the untruth they have tried to foist on women - that only women care but it's just not true.James Highamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14525082702330365464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31655026.post-89739175921249518892009-09-28T19:20:54.799+01:002009-09-28T19:20:54.799+01:00The reason you are having a hard time with this, J...The reason you are having a hard time with this, James, is that opposite truths are going to be in conflict. <br />We do not wish USG to pop on the other side of the earth with warrants over tax disputes thirty years later either, but they certainly will. Even as they are doing the right thing in this case, they will do the wrong thing with as much conviction. They will also not do the right thing for reasons of expediency when those occasions arise. So we are left with caution. <br /><br />A "feminist" would not long be a feminist if she is willing to suffer debate. There is no group of tenured professors in America so remarkably lacking the skills to defend their positions as feminists--and bad positions are defended vigorously and skillfully all the time. But never feminism, because at the heart of it they understand they are weak. The best arguments for returning Polanski will not come from them. <br /><br />BTW, I would be shocked if this episode in Polansi's life were an anomaly and not a habit.xlbrlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01931950075332608449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31655026.post-19275138016085781002009-09-28T18:02:43.594+01:002009-09-28T18:02:43.594+01:00Ultimately the law is important beyond the victim-...Ultimately the law is important beyond the victim- because the law establishes a principle that you cannot get away with an awful crime without punishment. Polanski shoudl go to court- if found guilty he should serve the time allowed by the state for such a crime. I cannot see any other principle which maintains the rule of law and that protects us all male and female from all manner of dangers.<br /><br />Ultimately I'm with Alison this has nothing to do with feminism (save insofar feminism is about protecting human dignity)- this is not about ideology- it is about the fundemental principle that crime is bad and criminals should pay the price for their crimes. It is as simple as that. Polanski I beleive has confessed, he should go to gaol.Gracchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06344262838391424797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31655026.post-58991624936886837982009-09-28T17:45:05.439+01:002009-09-28T17:45:05.439+01:00The bottom line in all of this is that he plied a ...The bottom line in all of this is that he plied a thirteen year old with drugs and alcohol, then had sex with her.<br /><br />He may be a fine director but that does not detract from the fact that he had sex with a 13 year old. His artistic talent does not excuse his act<br /><br />He certainly has had a hard time of things - an appalling childhood thanks to the vermin of the Reich and the brutal murder of his wife nd unborn child. But he had sex with a 13 year old. These will have troubled him enormously ( a huge understatement) but they do not excuse <br /><br />He pleaded guilty, but fled the US and has stayed in countries where he will not be extradited. These are the acts of a worm. Had it been anyone else I'm sure his supporters would have been baying for the paedo's blood<br /><br />Geimer says he "He made a terrible mistake but he's paid for it".<br /><br />He did so literally. She sued him and he made an undisclosed settlement. Blood money does not constitute a punishment. I do appreciate her concerns, however. <br /><br />Bottom line is that he fucked a child then did a runner. I could not give a damn if the man shits Picassos, he is still a piece of scumjams o donnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17315325008175184363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31655026.post-35284157449717965072009-09-28T15:29:41.763+01:002009-09-28T15:29:41.763+01:00Oh and thanks for inviting me over. Makes me feel ...Oh and thanks for inviting me over. Makes me feel dead smart :Dalisonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31655026.post-74044701840535342442009-09-28T15:07:30.337+01:002009-09-28T15:07:30.337+01:00Over on some entertainment websites they are dismi...Over on some entertainment websites they are dismissive of the case as “whatever” and all cooing graphically over the pictures of the thirteen year old girl. In France they think this is a non issue because he is a “talented” man, a libertine. A mere lothario to be indulged like his buddies in that entire industry.<br /><br />I'm sorry but when it comes to immediate reactions to this issue I cannot first find fault with the feminists on this issue James. Granted they should let anyone speak on the matter and I plan on doing just that (new blog) but reading those entertainment sites and how the man is virtually congratulated makes my stomach turn. <br /><br />I expected your angle on this story to be why should a privileged man get away with a crime an ordinary man would not get away with in a million years. It’s one rule for Hollywood libertines and another for the ordinary man running his kids to school.alisonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31655026.post-57246397117421682562009-09-28T14:20:48.902+01:002009-09-28T14:20:48.902+01:00That's fair enough, m'lord - he just happe...That's fair enough, m'lord - he just happens to be two metres away and said it now. I was throwing all opinions in.James Highamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14525082702330365464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31655026.post-74572781634166484072009-09-28T14:18:54.696+01:002009-09-28T14:18:54.696+01:00Remember James, the man pled GUILTY to the crime, ...Remember James, the man pled GUILTY to the crime, it isn't a matter of him fleeing a trial or anything, he fled prison.<br /><br />'My mate here says' is a hell of a way to source something no?Lord Nazhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15103136933766901900noreply@blogger.com