In the quadrant below, statism is seen as control oriented and includes religions. Something like satanism purports to be libertarian but actually it aims for complete control by the dark side. So this is centred horizontally. It would have been nice to put in the "politics of envy" that's close to our current situation in Britain.
Miller 2.0 says :
This is an original contribution to the debate, and one well worth considering. However, as a social democrat myself, I'd ask that people consider the proposition that the state is not always counterposed to freedom, and that sometimes state action can be freedom's most powerful guarantee.Looking back over the old quadrant below, it needs to be revised in some respects, e.g. Tory and it doesn't take into account that one can be extreme on some things and moderate [corrected] on others.
My political compass:
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Brilliant: one extreme of an axis is labelled "extreme view" and the opposite extreme "moderate view". Mr Richard Head would seem to have been active here.
ReplyDeleteP.S. What makes you think that laissez-faire isn't extreme, Hob?
ReplyDeleteDearieme took the words from my mouth.
ReplyDelete1 "What makes you think that laissez-faire isn't extreme?"
ReplyDeleteThat was an error of trying to do too many things at the one time. I meant to write 'moderate', not 'laissez faire', as I'd been thinking 'laissez faire' shortly before that in another context. The error was in my choice of words in the text.
Laissez faire can indeed be extreme, as you point out and is why it is at one side in the model.
2 "One extreme of an axis is labelled "extreme view" and the opposite extreme "moderate view""
Ah but who said that the edges had to all be extreme? Clearly, moderate is not.
This could be solved by extending the moderate 'edge' downwards to show it more as a continuum or else make it three sided and the "Moderate" tag wafts around at the foot of the model.
Suggestions for its improvement would always be welcome, rather than resorting to ad hominem such as 'Richard Head', gentlemen.
The point in this model is that it is an attempt to provide a better model than the circle or line. Whether it does so or not is open to debate.
[Hob mutters to himself - bugger, I got caught out. Hope no one else noticed.]
ReplyDeleteI find the version on the Political Compass website reflects the position of the political parties better.
ReplyDeleteI must go and check it out to see if they have added anything new since the recent elections.
The geometry you want is an oval. Around that you can plot the varieties of civilised views. The hole in the middle will represent the toilet bowl, down which you can flush all the variants of socialism - Bolsheviks, Maoists, Nazis, Fascists, and so on. Incomplete, I'll grant you, but a good start.
ReplyDeleteI think you mean torus, DM.
ReplyDeleteY-e-e-e-e-s. I've hd other criticisms of the quadrant too since earlier and I think it's back to the drawing board. Hmmmm. Trouble is, not making it too complicated. Perhaps the loo bowl is the answer.
ReplyDeleteThat is roughly where I thought you would come out on the Political Compass test!
ReplyDeleteYes, torus would do nicely, though they're much harder to draw on a sheet of paper. Or how about a Mobius strip?
ReplyDeleteWhat is the source of the upper diagram? It seems to be trying to compare too many things.
ReplyDeleteI'm left-libertarian on the political compass thingy, or was last time I looked, abouit 2 years ago.
Yes it is, Steve so back to the drawing board for me.
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