Tuesday, June 23, 2009

[blogger behaviour] sometimes needs comments

There are reasons not to post this and then there are more reasons to actually post it.

In the context of our own financial worries, the girl who was murdered in Iran, the Iraq enquiry, the state of education, the burqa issue and so on and so on, this is a relatively minor gripe but it is still a gripe.

My position on the political compass is such that I don't like using left/right as designations and would prefer to say socialist, totalitarian, laissez-faire, libertarian or whatever. If forced to use left/right designations, I'd like to feel that I get a cross-section of opinion at this blog, probably more slanted to the centre-right [not my choice of terms] because there are more of those bloggers about.

Whether this is correct or not, I've noticed something happening which, at first, I put down to my own error - pushing the wrong button, not pushing hard enough, whatever. Either way, comments I've posted are sometimes not there when I return to that blogger's post's comments section.

Frankly, one's first reaction is to be miffed by this, particularly as it's not something I do to that person. If I delete someone's comment, then I explain why and my readers know that. Some bloggers go further than I do - they actually write, via email: 'Listen, James, I had to delete your comment because ...'

Fair enough. I don't agree he should have deleted it but it's his choice - it's his blog.

Now I'm the first to admit I'm quite disliked on certain blogs, particularly those I've savaged in the past and there are those who feel my views are too left field [without actually exploring it to the end with an open mind]. Again, fair enough. I know there's something in my manner which leaves many cool towards me, even if we fundamentally agree among ourselves, politically. All those are known knowns.

But leaving comments is when a reader has taken the trouble to come to that person's site, has looked at what he's offered and has decided to respond. On my blog here, people who come to visit are called 'Esteemed Readers' [see Mybloglog in the left sidebar] and the last thing I'm going to do is delete their comments, with two exceptions - ad hominem against another commenter and my personal ex-stalker.

I don't give a damn if you're Gordo's right hand man [or woman] or whether you're Daniel Hannan - all are welcome. I take pride over the appearance of my blog and like people to speak intelligently on an issue but sometimes they don't - they just leave a quick comment, often flippant and in passing on what was a serious topic. I don't have to like that but I'm sure not going to delete it. More often than not, it's a post which invites banter anyway.

It seems to me that some bloggers invite comments but when the comments don't accord exactly with their views, they are not allowed to stand.

Now the controversial part - of the five comments of mine which have been deleted in the past few days, all were at what you would call 'left-wing' blogs. Does that say anything?

What tends to happen with right-wingers who don't like my presence?

Well, take Dizzy for example, Julia M or Croydonian. They seem to put up with my comments, ignore them and hope I just go away and that's fair enough too. If I put a comment at Lord T's he doesn't like, he attacks, as he should do, as I would hope anyone would do.

Surely we politically blog for debate, for feedback, don't we? Surely we don't blog for our own narcissistic ego-pampering?

That's why just deleting someone's comments without any explanation stinks and says much about the blogger who does it. Having said that, I'll still visit and still try to leave comments.
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17 comments:

  1. Esteemed commenter:

    I always appreciate intelligent comments on my blogs. I only delete them if they are purely ad hominem, or if they have nothing to do with the blog post concerned (usually spam). Actually those overlap -- ad hominems are usually off-topic as well.

    So like you I don't usually delete them, even if I disagree with them.

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  2. I don't get enough comment to worry about deleting the very few that I get.

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  3. James,

    Recently (When, you ask? Oh, within the past three months), I commented on a very well known blogger's site re a certain 'cing a sept' and

    the comment was deleted. Upon querieing that, I was basically told that if I did not know why, I should be ashamed of myself.

    That I found interesting because it was something that his Nemesis (on the webtubeinternettythingy) had complained about: his answers

    being patronising and I had always thought that Nemesis was being too delicate. Then I realised that I had caught 'well known blogger' in

    an off moment and he had told the truth as he saw it and my estimation of him went asearchin' for the nadir.

    So, yes, be honest, leave the comments, fight them, but only delete if they are ad hominem or libellous, otherwise, be a big boy and take them on.


    STB.

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  4. Your comments are always welcome at Pox Higham. I don't always respond because sometimes I think a response is not necessary. That doesn't mean I don't welcome the comment: You are my only commenter.

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  5. My policy is very similar to yours (though I do delete spam comments from people). I don't think I've ever deleted a comment from you- sometimes I might disaagree, sometimes I might be too tired to comment back but its always a pleasure to get a sign that someone has read it. I only delete spam, ad hominem or stuff that might upset people too much but apart from that can't see the point!

    One thing I would say that with people who have moderation- sometimes the comment doesn't appear until after they have moderated it on so to speak.

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  6. Steve - I admit sometimes I make smart alec short comments and some bloggers might think that's disrespectful but don't realize I did enjoy the post.

    Revinkevin - you will. Stick at it.

    STB - some of these people would be shocked if you took them to task. Everyone thinks he is the model of rectitude vis a vis us. I've been guilty too but try to make amends.

    William, we got out of sorts at one stage over another nameless person and I always thought that was not a natural division - we agree about too much for that. Of course we don't always agree with each other's comments - that's what free speech is. You're always welcome at this blog.

    Tiberius - I can confirm that. You are the perfect example of someone who is so opposite in point of view on many things [barring history] and yet I count you as a friend. You're an example of how it should be done and your experience helps in that too.

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  7. I have on rare occasions deleted without further ado - abusive comments, spam and trolls. Interestingly, I've had my recent post about the debt collectors spammed by people flogging debt relief - even though the post was nothing to do with people being in debt... Sheesh!

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  8. Spam comments get deleted with extreme prejudice. As for other posts only extremely offensive comments get deleted.. Except..

    Where I post a response and make such a cock of it that I consign it to the bin!

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  9. I think one of the problems is that people do use labels and don't really understand the finer details. People look at left and right as an absolute and don't investigate it further.

    I could also get you to explore the label socialist a bit more. Everyone thinks that means oppressive regime, but then there are the socialists who believe in democracy.

    Now onto the real point of your post. I personally have never deleted a comment unless it was spam. I have had a few comments come close to being unacceptable because they were leading to nasty comments about other bloggers. I replied and would have deleted any further comments. I think it is fairly obvious that I won't allow anyone to be attacked on my blog.

    Other than that I love a good debate, have them with my TU friends all the time and they think I have really quirky view on things ;-)

    My left wing friend and I have very specific thoughts on left wing people on the internet and that would explain why your comments get deleted on some blogs. Partly due to attributing labels as I said earlier, but also due to the level of education and being able to engage in a debate on differing viewpoints.

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  10. Higham: We didn't get out of sorts at all; I was out of sorts and became unpleasant, and when I sank so low in myself that I despised myself and wondered where I could go I looked at your unfailing comments and saw that although you were having a rough time you weren't taking it out on others, as I was.

    My thanks to you.

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  11. Are you sure they were deleted? There were problems with blogger the other day and in the forums it said that comments weren't working temporarily on some blogs.

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  12. I don't delete comments usually, even if they're nasty ones about me[which I secretly love..to respond to] but I have had to delete comments when my readers have been attacked.

    I LOVE trolls.Nobody cares if you sharpen your tongue on them.

    I can't imagine anyone not being thrilled to see you pop up on their blog.

    You're such a generous blogger on your blog and others.

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  13. Longrider - I think we all have an 'ad hominem' policy now and that's good. Spam goes instantly, of course, including people asking, with a link, for readers to visit his site. If it's a known blogger though, fair enough and I might even promote it. Trolls - I need to explore this concept more.

    Jams - yes, we're all in that 'error trap'. I think we try to do too much too fast.

    Cherie, your comment on socialism is a whole topic in itself and I shall refrain here. But let's put it on notice that somewhere down the track, we'll 'discuss' it like a lady and a gentleman should. :)

    From what I see and read from others, you must be well loved at that place and I can see why.

    Gruffy - well, that's sorted then.

    Welshcakes - I wondered when someone would raise that one. That's why I went over and took a screenshot of the thing. One of these bloggers doesn't know it but he was caught red-handed. I'll send you the screenshot by email. :)

    Yes, Uber, the ad hominem policy. You mention trolls too. I have a rough idea what these are but am not absolutely clear.

    I must admit I do delete my own comments on my own site here in order to edit them. I go by the rule that within the first ten to fifteen minutes, having read it over, I can change it. After that, even with error, it stands.

    You might ask why I don't edit it in this box first? Well I find it very restricting, this box. The font's small and the layout poor. When it's published, only then can I see 'how it looks'.

    I do it with posts too.

    For example, yesterday I made two errors which were picked up quickly and there were grammatical issues. Now, I didn't see those until I could look at the article on the front page.

    After fifteen minutes though, that's it and I don't touch it again.

    The method can be criticized but I do it, as it works.

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  14. Attack....I always thought I was simply responding.

    It just shows that people see things differently.

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  15. LOL I thought the comment on socialism might get you going :-)

    I do delete my own comments to correct grammar in much the same way as you do, I didn't think to mention that.

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  16. The cheries are too ripe not to pick, even as that is a topic for it's own space and time (sorry James, I am clearly not in complete control of myself. Please delete me).

    That 'there are socialist who believe in democracy' does not make democracy more compatible with socialism. It is not ignorance but illusion that deceives us.

    Most true pedophiles genuinely love children. So let us all send a check to NAMBLA and support love.

    To be so deficient in their conclusions requires socialist to also see the facts differently. That is why they shut the door to facts that contradict them. As they must.

    Socialist believe in two things which are absolutely different and perhaps even contradictory: freedom and organization--
    Elie Halevy

    The astonishing fact revealed by economics and biology is that order generated without design far surpasses plans men consciously contrive. An atavistic longing for the life of the noble savage is the main souce of collectivist tradition. -
    von Hayek

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  17. I think you are mixing up two four letter L words in that analogy ;-)

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