Monday, September 29, 2008

[bizarre experiment] not so bizarre conclusion


This blog usually tries to steer clear of just commenting on what the Telegraph or other MSM might be running at a given moment but this story requires a comment I don't think many would make.
Research at Oxford University has found believers can draw on their religion to endure suffering with greater fortitude, suggesting Christian martyrs may have been able to reduce the agony of torture or slow death.

Firstly, what is the point of the study and why the electric shocks? This immediately makes one smell a rat, as the shock approach is beloved of a particular type of people who enjoy the Joseph Mengele style of "research".

Secondly, it is attempting to reduce the physical to the metaphysical, the latter which just won't fit into the box and lie still. There is a contract that anyone who is actually Christian [as distinct from Sunday Churchgoer or Christian Right] enters into and it's spelt out clearly in Matthew and John.

It says that you can be redeemed by belief, not only because of the feeling of relief you get that you're actually going to make it to heaven but through the spirit, the third person of the trinity, actually flowing in like a lifeforce. All you need to do, it says, is believe that it is possible.

Almost no one in the MSM or the main blogosphere either dares or is interested in a kooky idea like that. Look at the adjective the Telegraph uses - bizarre. Yes, the experiment seems that way but in my eyes, it had an agenda. The paper mentions that the experimenters "hoped" for a certain result. I'm sure they did and they duly published it.

Does that make you suddenly believe in Christianity's ability to deliver on the Holy Spirit? Does it heck as like. For the majority, all it does is place the whole concept in the kook category in their minds, thereby putting another nail in the coffin of the "Cross superstition" [or so the shockophiles think].

Looking at society in general, you have to be pretty blinkered not to see the assault on Christianity from within and from outside [Winterval, banning the Nativity plays and so on] over the last decade and the obvious question is why this fixation with stomping out something they deny even exists? Why the Muslim fixation with it, for example?

The answer is that it delivers on its promise. So yes, there was a resurrection, there has to have been, as the results of it flow through to a few million worldwide on a daily basis. They're not going out preaching it but just living with the benefits day by day. It's always available if you should one day need it.

But look at the anger, the raised eyebrows and the snorts of bemused disgust such an assertion produces in people who like to deem themselves "rational", people who supposedly take all phenomena into account in their conclusions. This thing just won't die off, won't go away, will it? Non-believers trot out rationalization after rationalization explaining it away, sociological, psychological and other and those rationalizations hold up well when measured against physical phenomena.

Trouble is, you can't measure someone coming alive after three days and the power deriving from that, flowing into millions worldwide, in physical terms. It's like trying to measure Herbert's Dune and the life water or Star Wars' Force or the nature of electricity or why we actually "live" and are sentient, as distinct from being robotic. It is like trying to scientifically measure joie-de-vivre - it just won't fit into the scientific box.

It just is, as quite a few people dotted about here and there can testify to.

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

Trouble is, you can't measure someone coming alive after three days and the power deriving from that,

You could try a "cave" with more than one entrance, where only one entrance is common knowledge. ;-)

James Higham said...

True.

Anonymous said...

You could try a substitution, en route.

But who substituted for whom, that is the key.

What were their skills?
What was their true "rank", their various "honourifics" within the society/community.

All these names, were they real names, honourifics, ranking names, mistranslations, deliberate or otherwise?

Perhaps if the cave were situated on private land, not public land, and the "green hill", also, some distance from public.....

Naturally, this breaks all Roman laws, so somebody had some clout, somebody arranged something with the Roman head honcho ;-)

James Higham said...

Doesn't alter the metaphysical aspect though, which is what the researcher tries to bring us back to every time and every time it is inconclusive, surmise in fact.

So why does the idea persist? Because insiders who have entered into the contract know it is real. As this has not been done by outsiders, then they remain sceptical. This is a spirit thing, not a history thing.

:)

Anonymous said...

There is a metaphysical aspect to this, but it's nothing to do with what happens between the ears, which in most cases is psychosomatic/imagination.

The insiders think it is real, that is the point.
I am, quite frankly, surprised, that their thoughts convince you of reality, that is, a universal reality.
Science demands proof of a universal reality, reproducible always.

Faith is illusionary crap.
Indeed, anything other is crap.

Spirit Thing?
You are brainwashed by the hogwash put out by most major religions, which when all is said and done were nothing more than elaborate control systems, designed to perpetuate a hierarchy, a hierarchy and teachings that are absolutely antithetical to that which was preached/taught.

I posted recently about altered realities caused by frequencies, that were known/understood, and manipulated, thousands of years ago........

And this is/was, a scientific reality, reproducible always.

Did you pick up on it?

James Higham said...

I am, quite frankly, surprised, that their thoughts convince you of reality, that is, a universal reality.

Think about this statement, Anon. :)

CherryPie said...

It sounds a dubious experiment all round. The sample was rather small and too stereotypical. It seems it was set up to produce a certain result!

Anonymous said...

James.
I don't understand your last point, but then again, I don't understand much.

Look, I'll stop dancing, and start writing. It will be rather long, and extremely convoluted, and could take a month, or more, but I do need to refresh on a few points.

I'll let you know when I've got it all, 'cos it will probably exceed the limitations of this poxy little window.

Then you will fall on your ass at the implications of it all, and knowing you come from North Yorks, you will probably say, "Well F*ck Me", or something equally profound, or spiritual, or metaphysical, or whatever crap some other researcher is pushing next month.

For the life of me I can't understand why folks take this junk seriously.

Now, where's my reading glasses and pencil sharpener?.......... :-)

UBERMOUTH said...

What pisses me off ? Aethists who try to destroy someone's belief.
Do spare us the self righteous life lesson,anon.You're worse than a bible basher.

Anonymous said...

Uber, you are rightly named.

You can believe what you will, it is no concern of mine.

My concern is establishment/state teaching/state brainwashing/stupid distortions/archeological falsehoods, telling me what to believe,and using the resulting majority state sponsored belief system as a means of control, which, in fact, was the reason it was set up this way thousands of years ago.

If you can't see that, do us all a favour, and be silent.

If you choose to ignore historical fact, that is your problem. Stay ignorant, don't learn, what do I care.

You must be in love with your "Faith", but..

I couldn't give a sh^t.

James, You are at the same stand-off as before, you are obviously looking for an answer. Do you really want to know, or do I mount my bike?

Which pill?

Down the rabbit hole, or back to uberist matrix?

Jeez, I wonder if the writers realize how near they came? :-)

Anonymous said...

I guess that means the ubermatrix.

CYA