Sunday, May 04, 2008

[rationalism] perpetuating blinkered half truths

No fool like an old fool


Definition of political correctness:

No matter what guise the particular variety takes, the end result is always the same: repression, followed by carnage and tragedy, born out of good intentions towards the common good.

It's a quick step from here to Statism, compulsion and denial of free will:

If men hadn't free will, how can we possibly come to any moral decisions? This lays the basis for the idea, that the only natural environment for man, is liberty. This being the reason why mentally and emotionally mature people prefer freedom over Statism and Collectivism.

Cassandra explains the lie:

The central philosophical con trick of all Collectivist thought ... is perpetrated in order to accommodate the lie, so that the ideology may survive yet another generation: it is the denial of Reality and with it, the rejection of right and wrong, good and bad.

This rejection or denial creates amorality, a sort of childlike unawareness that some things are just plain wrong, such as indiscriminate sex:

This amorality has become a problem of Biblical proportions as adherents because of it, do not recognize Evil, even if it bit them in the behind.

Plus:

Another, moral consequence of the rejection of reality is, that good and bad, right and wrong, truth and lie, are denied in the same way; or to put it in another way: everybody is 'right' from his or her own particular point of view, and anything 'bad' is called 'bad', only because it doesn't fit into our present, defective idea of society.

Thus we come to moral relativism and into this fuzzy logic steps genuine evil, albeit surreptitiously in its early stages, masquerading under the do-gooder tag of "tolerance":

The denial of evil as a reality leads to wishful thinking, further blindness, and the denial of the self; it decreases rather than increases awareness. A false picture of reality is created -- the reality of the present state of humankind.

Like an alcoholic failing to concede the true nature of what faces him, deniers of the existence of evil leave themselves wide open. Elias Staub, The roots of evil: the origins of genocide and other group violence. New York: Cambridge University Press, 1989.) offers another characterization:

“Evil is not a scientific concept with an agreed meaning, but the idea of evil is part of a broadly shared human cultural heritage. The essence of evil is the destruction of human beings…

That's the bottom line, both in observed experience and in metaphysics. It has always been and still is about enslavement, the denial of "humanness" and the reduction of humans to primal instincts. This is the basis of Associative Disorder and mind control. It's why Jack Nicholson had a lobotomy in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. People are simply blinded to it, hamstrung by a denial of the metaphysical:

Prefiguring Peck, Rollo May long held that here in America--with its youthful optimism and naivete--we comprehend little of evil's true nature, and are thus naively ill-prepared to contend with it.

Alexander Solzhenitsyn showed how it inevitably leads to violence:

"Violence cannot exist in and of itself. It is invariably interlinked with the Lie."

The primary battleground is indeed the destruction of liberty via the unsustainable constructs of society peddled as the Lie but where the Libertarians now jump ship is that they ascribe this to the non-metaphysical entirely. However, even philosophy recognizes the place of the epistemological and epistemology seeks to explain:

"The daimonic," wrote May, "is any natural function which has the power to take over the whole person. Sex and eros, anger and rage, and the craving for power are examples. The daimonic can be either creative or destructive and is normally both. When this power goes awry, and one element usurps control over the total personality, we have "daimon possession," the traditional name through history for psychosis.

Problem is though that it strays into the realm of the metaphysical:

Nowadays however, the epistemological problem, by a fatal mistake of method, is assigned to metaphysics, and the result is a confusion between the two branches of philosophy, viz. metaphysics and epistemology.

Metaphysics joins the dots:

The metaphysical sciences reach the highest point of abstraction. They prescind, or abstract, not only from those qualities physics and mathematics abstract from, but also leave out of consideration the determination of quantity. They consider only Being and its highest determinations, such as substance, cause, quality, action etc.

It leads the scientist to a dilemma:

When therefore, the scientist rejects metaphysics, he suppresses a natural and ineradicable tendency of the individual mind towards unification and, at the same time, he tries to put up in every highway and byway of his own science a barrier against further progress in the direction of rational explanation.

Besides, the cultivation of the metaphysical habit of mind is productive of excellent results in the sphere of general culture. The faculty of appreciating principles as well as facts is a quality which cannot be absent from the mind without detriment to that symmetry of development wherein true culture consists.

Similarly, to try to reason as a philosophe, whilst excluding or rationalizing the metaphysical has always been quite erroneously fashionable; to ascribe verbose esoteric labels as the post-modernists are wont to do creates an aura of academic competence but is, in fact, incompetent by definition.

It's a stubborn mindset more concerned with perpetuating a loosely strung together set of half-truths and rejecting as beyond the pale the notion of concepts of good and evil.

Meanwhile, one side in this eternal struggle sits back and chuckles.

14 comments:

  1. I think you can be rational about good and evil.
    Good is what creates greater human harmony and social progress.
    evil is what holds it back.

    Both these change over time. Some things, like murder, will always be evil, but that is for logical reasons.

    Good and Evil are not like Aristotelian solidsm, concepts existing outside space and time.

    They are relative to the human species in its current state of existence.

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  2. This is what the article said - relative to the current state of existence and denial of good and evil. This is the definition of the Lie. One way ticket.

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  3. Yes, but the position doesn't make sense, if you think about it.
    Now I'll admit, if you'd asked me ten years ago, I'd have upheld the idea of some kind of eternal morality. But it doesn't really work- cannot.

    When did it come in?

    For example, a lot of biblical edicts on food, make sense in Iron age times. Eating blood products is a serious health risk in Iron age society. Even by roman times, better methods of food prservation had relegated this injunction to history.
    I would also say the same of most biblical sexual taboos- but we'll agree to differ there.

    The death penalty is a good case in point- in fact eye for an eye justice generally. Although Christ argues against it, he was ahead of his time. The Middle ages STILL needed it, and in the context of the times, yes, it made sense. Deterrent was about as good a way you could come up with of realistic policing- steal a sheep, lose a hand. Punish death with death. In a sense, one can't even criticise brutal punishments, such as hanging , drawing and quartering, because you needed to make people fear royal authority. Don't rebel, you'll be hacked into pieces.

    As late as 1903, a mixed race couple couldn't find a Cof E priest to marry them- most clergyman thought it would be immoral.

    And usury- wasn't that always the dirty cousin of finance, until Capitalism turned into the pump that inflated it's balloon?

    How much of what we do today will be judged wrong by our descendants?

    After all, our ancestors never thought anyone would be bothered by their buying slaves in Guinea to take to the new world. They duidn't enslave them, so why should they worry? We feel differently about their actions.

    St Dominic burned Cathars with a clear conscience- perspectives change.

    A case in point, is how the continuation of the war against terror is having an affect on how we see international justice.

    And in VERY simple terms;
    Capitalism- Good in 1800, not so good in 2000 :)

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  4. James I have no idea what any of this means- I reject the definition of political correctness at the top for a start. Political correctness is just manners- it is bad manners for example to denigrate women. Yes some people take it too far- a bit like some people take normal manners too far- yes some people want to legislate but others want to legislate against things they find offensive like homosexual unions. I'm sorry I reject that first definition- and pretty much every thing after it.

    Relativity incidentally James as a philosophical doctrine and much more complicated than you are giving for its due. Think about this for a start- is an action right because God says it is or because its right- and if the latter don't you need to use reason to evaluate whether God has done the right thing or not?

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  5. incidentally the "and" after "doctrine" should read "is"- I can't type :)

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  6. I was going to say something but after reading that thread I forgot what it was.

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  7. None of which negates what was said about metaphysics and the existence of right and wrong, which was what the post was about.

    "Yes, but the position doesn't make sense, if you think about it."

    Au contraire - it is the only position which does make sense.

    On the other hand, most young people today, bereft of a sense of moderation, give way to shopaholicism, binge drinking, indiscriminate sex, drug usage as a matter of habit and there is a vacuum.

    You can view this in clinical terms, psychological terms of what it does to a person's personality if he places no limits on himself - he eventually becomes a monster if it is less and less fettered.

    All metaphysics does is give it a name - daemonic - instead of the word psychotic - for the same phenomena.

    The loss of a sense of personal morality is a slow process well symbolized in film e.g. the star wars seduction of Anakin. It's fiction but everyone knows it relates to what the human does once he gives way to his passions unfettered.

    He then tries to create constructs to justify himself, repeating them and restating them at intervals to try to justify the unjustifiable.

    The state abets this in that as the laws on movement become more stringent, the underbelly becomes softer and what is allowable e.g. what is permissible as taste in the media, becomes more and more tacky.

    If enough people do these things, there is societal dislocation - people single, alone, unable to form lasting relationships, substituting something, anything for what is right but boring. There's a lot of projected pride in this, compensating for the loss of self esteem failure brings.

    The root causes are both internal and external. Externally, the state increases its stranglehold on all functions of living, over-regulates and chokes the life out of the ordinary citizen - witness Brown's Britain.

    The whole process is slow, inexorable until we get a generation almost wholly brought up without personal limits until something deep inside is felt to be missing - the Who had a song about that.

    This is a deeply unpopular point of view put here. One of the key characteristics of any pathology, be it alcoholism or whatever, is denial that it is actually taking place.

    There is a lot of delusion in here [let me quote]:

    "(raises eyebrows, sighs, points finger at head and rotates it)"

    Yes but who is actually the crazy here - the one who stands to one side and points this out or one of the inmates of Asylum Britain?

    Moving on ...

    What is well being? Good diet? Having enough money? How about inside ourselves and our attitudes we've developed? Are they sustainable? Does anyone care?

    Why do theistic movements abound in a sick society - look at history, look at modern America and the rise of the "Christian" Right. Why did the Beatles go to the Maharishi? Look at the sect which just got busted in hte US and how it always goes wrong, e.g. Manson, Jones as extreme examples.

    Signs and wonders sang Paul Simon. And all through it people assure themselves all is well. Are they hell.

    Meanwhile the banking system does its bit, playing on people's natural sense of aspiration and so there is rampant credit debt and a collapsing and now individually criminalized society.

    Wake up and look at it - it's hand in glove, the whole process. Is society better now than in the 50s in the macro sense? Seriously, just look about.

    So I'll conclude with Crushed's own words again:

    "Yes, but the position doesn't make sense, if you think about it."

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  8. Think about this for a start- is an action right because God says it is or because its right- and if the latter don't you need to use reason to evaluate whether God has done the right thing or not?

    Tiberius - if you admit "right" then naturally you admit "wrong". From whence does this sense spring? How did it get inside our psyches? Does the rhinocerous or bird have this sense?

    What distinguishes us from the other species and why? Your fierce determination not to give credit where it is due does not alter the existence of the phenomoneon though. :)

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  9. None of which negates what was said about metaphysics and the existence of right and wrong, which was what the post was about.

    "Yes, but the position doesn't make sense, if you think about it."

    Au contraire - it is the only position which does make sense.

    On the other hand, most young people today, bereft of a sense of moderation, give way to shopaholicism, binge drinking, indiscriminate sex, drug usage as a matter of habit and there is a vacuum.

    You can view this in clinical terms, psychological terms of what it does to a person's personality if he places no limits on himself - he eventually becomes a monster if it is less and less fettered.

    All metaphysics does is give it a name - daemonic - instead of the word psychotic - for the same phenomena.

    The loss of a sense of personal morality is a slow process well symbolized in film e.g. the star wars seduction of Anakin. It's fiction but everyone knows it relates to what the human does once he gives way to his passions unfettered.

    He then tries to create constructs to justify himself, repeating them and restating them at intervals to try to justify the unjustifiable.

    The state abets this in that as the laws on movement become more stringent, the underbelly becomes softer and what is allowable e.g. what is permissible as taste in the media, becomes more and more tacky.

    If enough people do these things, there is societal dislocation - people single, alone, unable to form lasting relationships, substituting something, anything for what is right but boring. There's a lot of projected pride in this, compensating for the loss of self esteem failure brings.

    The root causes are both internal and external. Externally, the state increases its stranglehold on all functions of living, over-regulates and chokes the life out of the ordinary citizen - witness Brown's Britain.

    The whole process is slow, inexorable until we get a generation almost wholly brought up without personal limits until something deep inside is felt to be missing - the Who had a song about that.

    This is a deeply unpopular point of view put here. One of the key characteristics of any pathology, be it alcoholism or whatever, is denial that it is actually taking place.

    There is a lot of delusion in here [let me quote]:

    "(raises eyebrows, sighs, points finger at head and rotates it)"

    Yes but who is actually the crazy here - the one who stands to one side and points this out or one of the inmates of Asylum Britain?

    Moving on ...

    What is well being? Good diet? Having enough money? How about inside ourselves and our attitudes we've developed? Are they sustainable? Does anyone care?

    Why do theistic movements abound in a sick society - look at history, look at modern America and the rise of the "Christian" Right. Why did the Beatles go to the Maharishi? Look at the sect which just got busted in hte US and how it always goes wrong, e.g. Manson, Jones as extreme examples.

    Signs and wonders sang Paul Simon. And all through it people assure themselves all is well. Are they hell.

    Meanwhile the banking system does its bit, playing on people's natural sense of aspiration and so there is rampant credit debt and a collapsing and now individually criminalized society.

    Wake up and look at it - it's hand in glove, the whole process. Is society better now than in the 50s in the macro sense? Seriously, just look about.

    So I'll conclude with Crushed's own words again:

    "Yes, but the position doesn't make sense, if you think about it."

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  10. James- I wasn't referring to yourself with that cyber gesture- I had hoped you realised that.

    Morality ultimately is based on overall societal effect.
    I would agree that binge drinking isn't a good thing.
    On drug use I disagree- I think criminalising it is a wholly negative. I think there is a marked difference betwen drug USe and drug ABuse, though it depends on the substance, of course. Heroin is a poison no matter how you look at it, but my personal experience is that cannabis and others can be used both recreationally AND responsibly.

    As for sex, well, to return to my general point, the social order is no longer threatened by sexual freedom in the way it once was.

    'If enough people do these things, there is societal dislocation - people single, alone, unable to form lasting relationships, substituting something, anything for what is right but boring.'

    This shows a lack of understanding of why people might choose to be single. In some cases- my own is the one I'm thinking of- they do indeed have VERY long lasting relationships- the people I've given flatkeys to, are all close friends of many years standing. I'm not alone, far from it. In fact, the main reason I prefer being single, is that I've found through experience, you have more people in your life being single, and more time to do the things you want to do.

    I can't see any powerful reason why I'd want to give up my single status.

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  11. James I have no idea about Crushed vs Ubermouth- so won't comment but I think our actual discussion is interesting.

    Yes I do beleive that there is such a thing as right- and there is such a thing as wrong. I don't see why God saying something was right or wrong would make any difference to whether it was or not- indeed I beleive that at specific points in the Old Testament if you believe in God, God commanded things which were directly wrong- the enslavement of the Hivites for example. Slavery is wrong- just because God told Israel to take slaves didn't make it right.

    Right and wrong are for me senses that I have about the world- now they are related to principles that I have and the question as Kant understood is whether you choose to follow those principles (not because its in your own interest- ie the offer of a heavenly kingdom or of a bonus) and whether those principles are consistent with each other. If you believe that it is right for instance for people to behave kindly to you, it is inconsistent for you not to see that it is right for you to behave likewise to them.

    What God has to do with it I don't understand- why does the view of the tyrant in the sky make any difference to something being right or wrong (that is if God exists, another issue entirely)?

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  12. There appear to be two separate discussions going on at the moment.

    As I've been out this evening and am tired, I'll reply this way:

    Tiberius - we will continue this but let me sleep and be fresh first.

    The two sparring partners - I'll have to see tomorrow morning how this either oversteps the blog policy on comments or doesn't.

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  13. O dear.

    Well, on the topic. I do agree to what Gracchi wrote more eloquently than I could.

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  14. This was an excellent post and so well written. I missed so much the first time, but I agree wholeheartedly with you , James.

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