Friday, August 24, 2007

[new world order] sorry this took so long

Lord Nazh reacted to this:

… let me quote from May 1st, 1776 …

and this:

…driving GHW Bush's New Order in Iraq [are you aware he had certificates issued to troops afterwards thanking them for taking part in his New World Order?*] …

and this:

… * I have a copy of this certificate and will try to find it then post it here ...

with this:

I love you James, but you need serious help :) What 'quote' from May 1st 1776 are you referring to (no link was provided)? And hurry up with the NWO cert please, as a friend of mine didn't get one (who indeed served in the war in Iraq).

The quote

It is from Adam Weishaupt (code named Spartacus) and you'll see the date in bold in the text in the hyperlink. To help out in English a little, these were their objectives:

1) Abolition of all ordered governments

2) Abolition of private property

3) Abolition of inheritance

4) Abolition of patriotism

5) Abolition of the family

6) Abolition of religion

7) Creation of a world government

There are two main objections to the Illuminati from 1776 having any significant world influence:

1] It was a society created by a small group of kooks in Bavaria, small time stuff and Weishaupt saw himself as some sort of mega leader of them;

2] They were suppressed in a general crackdown on all secret societies in 1785 and that was that.

There are a number of objections to the objections:

1] A detractor, John Robison, a professor of natural philosophy at Edinburgh University in Scotland and a member of a Freemason Lodge there, wrote “Proofs of a Conspiracy”, a copy of which was sent to George Washington, who replied that he was aware that the Illuminati were in America and that they had “diabolical tenets”.

2] The Catholic Encyclopaedia writes: When the great international convention of Freemasons was held at Wilhelmsbad (16 July to 29 August, 1782) the "Illuminated Freemasonry", which Knigge and Weishaupt now proclaimed to be the only "pure" Freemasonry, had already gained such a reputation that almost all the members of the convention clamoured for admission into the new institution.

Moreover, in 1783 the anarchistic tendencies of the order provoked public denunciations which led, in 1784, to interference on the part of the Bavarian Government. As the activity of the Illuminati still continued, four successive enactments were issued against them (22 June, 1784; 2 March, and 16 August, 1785; and 16 August, 1787), in the last of which recruiting for the order was forbidden under penalty of death.

These measures put an end to the corporate existence of the order in Bavaria, and, as a result of the publication, in 1786, of its degrees and of other documents concerning it—for the most part of a rather compromising nature—its further extension outside Bavaria became impossible. The spread of the spirit of the Illuminati, which coincided substantially with the general teachings of the "enlightenment", especially that of France, was rather accelerated than retarded by the persecution in Bavaria.

3] Winston Churchill, in 1920, wrote: "From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, to those of Trotsky, Bela Kun, Rosa Luxembourg, and Emma Goldman, this world wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence and impossible equality, has been steadily growing.

It played a definitely recognizable role in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the nineteenth century, and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads, and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."

4] If only for the level of detail I include this next piece as an objection, admitting freely I can't attribute it and therefore don't insist it be taken as definitive:

1785 - An Illuminati courier named Lanze is struck by lightning and killed while traveling by horseback through the town of Ratisbon. When Bavarian officials examine the contents of his saddle bags, they discover the existence of the Order of the Illuminati and find plans detailing the coming French Revolution. The Bavarian government attempts to alert the government of France of impending disaster, but the French government fails to heed this warning. Bavarian officials arrest all members of the Illuminati they can find, but Weishaupt and others have gone underground and cannot be found.

Oct. 11, 1785 - Bavarian authorities raid the home of an Illuminati member named Von Zwack. They discover Illuminati documents which show quite clearly that they plan to bring about a "universal revolution that should deal the death-blow to society...this revolution will be the work of the secret societies, and that is one of our great mysteries."

5] Another weak objection is from a woman who hides behind a pseudonym, Svali, purportedly ex-Illuminati and though it is not established, neither has it been definitively debunked in all I've so far read. She says, of Weishaupt:

Q: Is this the same Illuminati that was created by Adam Weishaupt in Germany?

A: Weishaupt did not create the Illuminati, they chose him as a figurehead and told him what to write about. The financiers, dating back to the bankers during the times of the Templar Knights who financed the early kings in Europe, created the Illuminati. Weishaupt was their "go fer", who did their bidding.

Ignoring points 4 and 5 then, safe ground appears to be that there was an organization formed in 1776 into all these ancient mysteries, they caused sufficient concern outside of Bavaria that Washington and later Churchill took their continued influence seriously, they did cease as a publicly listed body in 1785 and that a lot of their guff has been passed down through other bodies.

You'll have noticed the "financier" reference but I base my view on them on current source material, not this. I prefer to stay on safe ground.

The certificate

Click on the pic for a better view:

Here is the naval seal [click for better view] …

… and a close-up of the text …

I stand corrected on the word "troops" and realize now it was "marines officers". I understand the certificate was not distributed to all ranks but there seems sufficient detail to indicate Bush was into this stuff.

I'll do a further post looking at two of his speeches and though it won't pass the "I want it signed in triplicate and specific allegations of treason made" merchants, it is still quite indicative of the mindset of the man who took the Allies to war in Iraq, a war I didn't actually object to at the time, by the way, being then something of a neo-con.


Jeremy Jacobs said...

and your point is?

Sir James Beiggelschwarz said...

Thanks, Jeremy.

It is a reply to Lord Nazh's sardonic reply on the last post, intimating that the quote had no substance and the certificate no existence.

I would never make a statement which couldn't be backed up and as my reputation was on the line, I needed to provide this material.

A spin off from this is that the current guff we're seeing of globalism, EU constitution, European army and so on, combined with the latest laws in the U.S. on search and enter plus the British R.I.P. Act, are the same old tired agenda being tried again.

Churchill mentioned the French Revolution and every major western upheaval up to the Russian Revolution and sheeted it home to the spirit of the Enlightenment but the Great Depression and consequent war can also be included and the one we're heading for now [we've just had the opening salvo of the first credit squeeze].

Interesting where the driving force comes out of - two places, Paris and Bavaria. It did for WW2 and it came out of Bavaria with Merkel's agreement with the call for a pan-EU army led from Bavaria.

These people in Bavaria have a name - the Bruderheist, they are viciously anti-Jew or to be more specific, anti-Sion and the agenda has always been the same.

To be honest, the greatest puzzle to me was how the Rothchilds, being Jewish, not only escaped persecution but appeared to be at the base of it.

This suggests, from my limited reading so far, that the Kabbalists appear to be inimical to general jewry but I claim no expertise on this - you'd know that better than I.

Lord Nazh© said...

No James, you didn't have to post, you could have simply replied to my comment (as your reputation was on the line).

I was merely asking for the link to the 1776 item, I didn't say it didn't exist, but I wanted to read it.

I asked about the seal because my friend said he didn't get one (not a marine officer though), so since he didn't get it, I asked.

Nowhere in my 'sardonic' reply did I say you were lying or even imply you were. I said you needed serious help and still think that after this post :)

"I'll do a further post looking at two of his speeches and though it won't pass the "I want it signed in triplicate and specific allegations of treason made" merchants, it is still quite indicative of the mindset of the man who took the Allies to war in Iraq, a war I didn't actually object to at the time, by the way, being then something of a neo-con."

What in the world does 'neo-con' have to do with the war in Iraq?

Crushed by Ingsoc said...

Are all those aims Bad, James?

Point six, I don't entirely agree with, but most of the others seem good to me.

CityUnslicker said...

without the phrase New World ORder, then we would not have had the band New Order.

Surely this price was worth the benefit?

Sir James Beiggelschwarz said...

Dearest Lord Nazh - if I misinterpreted, please forgive me. What has neo-con to do with 1990? In those exact words - nothing, of course but in thinking I was referring.

Crushed - ah, by your comment you reveal yourself, dear sir.

CUS - a wise and erudite riposte, to be sure.

May a 1000 points of life come to succour you and blight your enemies [I have to justify LN's serious help advice somehow].

Lord Nazh© said...

James: I misread this; my friend would not indeed have a certificate no matter what, he served in the current war, I missed the H in your Presidential name :( sorry for that.

New World Order was due to the fact that the USSR had died, hence there would be a new world order.

Welshcakes Limoncello said...

Amazing post and very interesting. Am I to understand you have moved slightly to the left, then??

Crushed by Ingsoc said...

Are any of those things you'd expect to see in an advanced society?

Vestiges of more primitive times, in my opinion, but I can see why people are all attached to them.

Logic stands against them, though.