… let me quote from May 1st, 1776 …
…driving GHW Bush's New Order in
… * I have a copy of this certificate and will try to find it then post it here ...
I love you James, but you need serious help :) What 'quote' from May 1st 1776 are you referring to (no link was provided)? And hurry up with the NWO cert please, as a friend of mine didn't get one (who indeed served in the war in
It is from Adam Weishaupt (code named Spartacus) and you'll see the date in bold in the text in the hyperlink. To help out in English a little, these were their objectives:
1) Abolition of all ordered governments
2) Abolition of private property
3) Abolition of inheritance
4) Abolition of patriotism
5) Abolition of the family
6) Abolition of religion
7) Creation of a world government
There are two main objections to the Illuminati from 1776 having any significant world influence:
1] It was a society created by a small group of kooks in Bavaria, small time stuff and Weishaupt saw himself as some sort of mega leader of them;
2] They were suppressed in a general crackdown on all secret societies in 1785 and that was that.
There are a number of objections to the objections:
1] A detractor, John Robison, a professor of natural philosophy at Edinburgh University in Scotland and a member of a Freemason Lodge there, wrote “Proofs of a Conspiracy”, a copy of which was sent to George Washington, who replied that he was aware that the Illuminati were in America and that they had “diabolical tenets”.
2] The Catholic Encyclopaedia writes: When the great international convention of Freemasons was held at Wilhelmsbad (16 July to 29 August, 1782) the "Illuminated Freemasonry", which Knigge and Weishaupt now proclaimed to be the only "pure" Freemasonry, had already gained such a reputation that almost all the members of the convention clamoured for admission into the new institution.
Moreover, in 1783 the anarchistic tendencies of the order provoked public denunciations which led, in 1784, to interference on the part of the Bavarian Government. As the activity of the Illuminati still continued, four successive enactments were issued against them (22 June, 1784; 2 March, and 16 August, 1785; and 16 August, 1787), in the last of which recruiting for the order was forbidden under penalty of death.
These measures put an end to the corporate existence of the order in Bavaria, and, as a result of the publication, in 1786, of its degrees and of other documents concerning it—for the most part of a rather compromising nature—its further extension outside Bavaria became impossible. The spread of the spirit of the Illuminati, which coincided substantially with the general teachings of the "enlightenment", especially that of France, was rather accelerated than retarded by the persecution in Bavaria.
3] Winston Churchill, in 1920, wrote: "From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, to those of Trotsky, Bela Kun, Rosa Luxembourg, and Emma Goldman, this world wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence and impossible equality, has been steadily growing.
It played a definitely recognizable role in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the nineteenth century, and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and
have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads, and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire." America
4] If only for the level of detail I include this next piece as an objection, admitting freely I can't attribute it and therefore don't insist it be taken as definitive:
1785 - An Illuminati courier named Lanze is struck by lightning and killed while traveling by horseback through the town of
. When Bavarian officials examine the contents of his saddle bags, they discover the existence of the Order of the Illuminati and find plans detailing the coming French Revolution. The Bavarian government attempts to alert the government of France of impending disaster, but the French government fails to heed this warning. Bavarian officials arrest all members of the Illuminati they can find, but Weishaupt and others have gone underground and cannot be found. Ratisbon
Oct. 11, 1785 - Bavarian authorities raid the home of an Illuminati member named Von Zwack. They discover Illuminati documents which show quite clearly that they plan to bring about a "universal revolution that should deal the death-blow to society...this revolution will be the work of the secret societies, and that is one of our great mysteries."
5] Another weak objection is from a woman who hides behind a pseudonym, Svali, purportedly ex-Illuminati and though it is not established, neither has it been definitively debunked in all I've so far read. She says, of Weishaupt:
Q: Is this the same Illuminati that was created by Adam Weishaupt in
A: Weishaupt did not create the Illuminati, they chose him as a figurehead and told him what to write about. The financiers, dating back to the bankers during the times of the Templar Knights who financed the early kings in
Europe, created the Illuminati. Weishaupt was their "go fer", who did their bidding.
Ignoring points 4 and 5 then, safe ground appears to be that there was an organization formed in 1776 into all these ancient mysteries, they caused sufficient concern outside of Bavaria that Washington and later Churchill took their continued influence seriously, they did cease as a publicly listed body in 1785 and that a lot of their guff has been passed down through other bodies.
You'll have noticed the "financier" reference but I base my view on them on current source material, not this. I prefer to stay on safe ground.
Click on the pic for a better view:
Here is the naval seal [click for better view] …
I stand corrected on the word "troops" and realize now it was "marines officers". I understand the certificate was not distributed to all ranks but there seems sufficient detail to indicate Bush was into this stuff.
I'll do a further post looking at two of his speeches and though it won't pass the "I want it signed in triplicate and specific allegations of treason made" merchants, it is still quite indicative of the mindset of the man who took the Allies to war in Iraq, a war I didn't actually object to at the time, by the way, being then something of a neo-con.